Sidebar, Your Honor

[LexInVA]

If you have a WiFi device and an LTE device, they can use geographically different IPs, even though they are next to one another. For example, my phone goes through Pittsburgh for some bizarre reason that I have yet to figure out. Then you have VPNs and alternate DNS servers, which make IP spoofing very easy. In short, IP addresses really mean nothing these days.

[DownYonder]

Thanks for compiling the timeline, Sdel!

I am still curious about when RC gave her gun to MB so he could “look at it,” but it seems that information has not been made public (unless I missed it, which is very possible).

[trubandloki]

Thank you @Sdel for the work you put into making the timeline. I am always impressed at people who can organize a timeline like that.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

I am still curious about when RC gave her gun to MB so he could “look at it,” but it seems that information has not been made public (unless I missed it, which is very possible).

I guess the standing assumption is that it was on 8/5 because that is the incident date listed on the warrant.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

I guess the standing assumption is that it was on 8/5 because that is the incident date listed on the warrant.

Ah, right. Now I remember seeing that - I actually posted about it in the other thread (sorry, I’m on pain meds for a rotator cuff injury). What I am still wondering about is not the date it occurred, but whether it happened before or after MB went to the police station. And it appears we will have to wait for her testimony for those details.

[AnastasiaBeaverhousen]

Thanks for the NOT creepy timeline.
Very concise and all in one place .

[SillyHorse]

@AnastasiaBeaverhousen

Thanks for the NOT creepy timeline.
Very concise and all in one place .

Ditto.

[Angela_Freda]

Thanks, I had wondered how that might be possible.

[Aussie_2020]

Not creepy for two reasons in my mind.

First - people talk about murder, robbery, etc all the time. They discuss, brain storm, and plain yak about the information known. It really is human to discuss incidents like the Barisone case. Second - if someone was planning to write a book it stands to reason they have files on facts, gossip, innuendos, and anything else that comes to mind.

I think it could be an interesting book, different from the typical facts only one, if it was done from the perspective of a mind hive.

What I do think is creepy is a victim joining online discussions about their case. That type of behavior seems odd, but that’s jmho.

[Marla_100]

@LilRanger

I’m guessing there isn’t any proof to connect MHG with MBs actions. I do think she would be called as a witness to help the defense set up the scenario that led to that day.

MHG has some choices about testifying. If she’s compelled to appear at trial by defense, she may be named a “hostile witness” if she’s non-co-operating due to not wanting to be involved- since she apparently has moved on in her personal life. Or she may have already given a statement to the DA- on the state’s side- as promise not to be charged in any criminal charges.
She’s a wild card, until trial.

[Knights_Mom]

She’s out of state so securing her presence is not just by subpoena.

Subpoenaing Out of State Witnesses - A Step-by-Step Guide

[Knights_Mom]

@Marla_100

@LilRanger

I’m guessing there isn’t any proof to connect MHG with MBs actions. I do think she would be called as a witness to help the defense set up the scenario that led to that day.

MHG has some choices about testifying. If she’s compelled to appear at trial by defense, she may be named a “hostile witness” if she’s non-co-operating due to not wanting to be involved- since she apparently has moved on in her personal life. Or she may have already given a statement to the DA- on the state’s side- as promise not to be charged in any criminal charges.
She’s a wild card, until trial.

“I don’t remember” is said by many a compelled witness.

[3PonyFarm]

@Knights_Mom, I wonder with all the court cases delayed by Covid, how many witnesses will be able to trust their memories especially when questioned by skillful attorneys.
Btw, I like the title of the thread, very creative OP!

[AnastasiaBeaverhousen]

Thank you.

[Knights_Mom]

@3PonyFarm

@Knights_Mom, I wonder with all the court cases delayed by Covid, how many witnesses will be able to trust their memories especially when questioned by skillful attorneys.
Btw, I like the title of the thread, very creative OP!

Time does affect memory for sure.

Others things do as well.

[Einhorn]

Witnesses are normally deposed well before the trial setting, as part of gathering evidence. So that can be used to help them remember what they said when the incident was still fresh in their mind.

A deposition can also be used to discredit a witness if there is a big discrepancy between their testimony at trial and what they stated at the deposition.

[Knights_Mom]

@Einhorn

Witnesses are normally deposed well before the trial setting, as part of gathering evidence. So that can be used to help them remember what they said when the incident was still fresh in their mind.

A deposition can also be used to discredit a witness if there is a big discrepancy between their testimony at trial and what they stated at the deposition.

Witnesses are not always deposed in criminal trials. The D.A. will rehearse with them often but on the stand anything goes.

Depositions are the babies of civil cases.

[Einhorn]

That is probably true that there is not a sworn deposition on many criminal cases. But certainly statements and interviews are done by the defense and prosecution before trial, I’d think. And while those statements aren’t sworn to so they can’t be used in quite the same manner as a deposition, they can be used to help the witnesses remember their statements.

I can see why criminal trials might be less predicable if the witnesses can’t be held to their earlier statements.

[Knights_Mom]

@Einhorn

That is probably true that there is not a sworn deposition on many criminal cases. But certainly statements and interviews are done by the defense and prosecution before trial, I’d think. And while those statements aren’t sworn to so they can’t be used in quite the same manner as a deposition, they can be used to help the witnesses remember their statements.

I can see why criminal trials might be less predicable if the witnesses can’t be held to their earlier statements.

They are unpredictable also because the standard “Beyond a reasonable doubt” is a high standard given all it takes is one juror to go against the flow.

[Inigo-montoya]

The child!

And as I clearly said…allowing her child to participate in a meeting about how to get rid of LK does not make her an unfit parent. Just not that bright.

To be clear, it was the minor child who said “I’ll bash their heads in.” Poor kid…since others at the meeting were making other specific plans about how to harm LK/RG he certainly cannot be blamed for chiming in.

And, again…we all make bad parenting decisions. This was obviously a very poor decision.