I know, but the name is forever sullied for many.
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Outside of the US, this is the case for a lot of breeds.
They must meet a minimum health clearances & titling before being allowed to be bred.
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OMG the Newdles page took me to the Beabulls page - beagle / Old English Bulldogs. Ack!
I was thinking the same thing.
I will not let Michael Jackson ruin J.M.Barrie’s work like that.
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Just to get back to this - while there certainly is a “business” about showing dogs (e.g. professional handlers make their living this way) - the entire purpose of a dog show is only for proving the conformation of the dog. That doesn’t mean that it is the only thing that people use to select for breed traits.
To put it in another way - the purpose of the show is to prove the physical aspect of the standard that was already created (for whatever reason.) Not to create or define the standard. The standard was created by some body of individuals who believe that this type served a particular purpose.
These things happened long before “dog shows” were held to prove that standard and type.
The chicken is the standard - the egg is the conformation show.
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The point is, that it has not served dogs well.
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It is also the case that breeders are required to be licensed. In the USA that would go down like a lead brick. Unless you remove those that breed for arbitrary physical features you are going to fail.
Who would pay for that? Who would inspect it? What about breeders who choose not to register their puppies, which would inevitably happen - just as it does now?
I understand that the desire is to have quality, healthy, correct dogs, but licensing and inspections won’t make that happen. You will still end up with a minority of breeders conforming to those requirements, while BYB will produce unregistered dogs for pets.
The reality is that in many breeds there are already breeders who conform to a code of ethics which include health testing, DNA registry, etc., and they represent only a small proportion of breeders producing puppies. I would abide by this kind of requirement - my dogs are already health tested and titled; I don’t have hunting titles on all my dogs but I could get them without very much effort. My club is sponsoring a hunting dog test in the fall. But lots of other breeders and greeders will not.
Unless breeding was made illegal (or was totally regulated) by someone, this will never work. And I think half the people on this thread would object because it would mean that pets would be impossible to acquire and/or be unaffordable.
And, to be honest, most breeds have not been ‘damaged’ by dog shows. Some extremes have happened in some breeds, but those breeds were already somewhat extreme before modern dog shows. E.g. Pekinese, Japanese Chin, Chow Chow, etc - those are ancient breeds.
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In my adult life I have bought a purebred puppy from an AKC bench showing breeder who I had to interview with and take out a loan to afford (real young, real stupid). I have adopted from municipal shelters, and private rescues, and out of a foster home, with the home visit and arm length ap, and the 3 references. I have purchased the only puppy I could catch from a feral litter on a chained yard dog. I have purchased a puppy from a pet store. I have purchased a puppy from a local online ad. I have purchased a puppy through a Mennonite dog broker from an Amish farmer/dog breeder. The best of those dogs were the feral, the pet store puppy, and the Amish. Anymore, I only want to purchase an 8-12 week puppy in a straight sale. I haven’t found any other method to be worth the hassle or the cost.
Rescue is out because I want a sporting, athletic dog and the Rescue community’s slavish, cultish insistence on pediatric neutering means that’s out. I won’t run a dog that I know to be predisposed to ligament injuries, it’s just not fair. Even if I outgrow interest in dog sports I am not comfortable with setting an animal up for injury and chronic weakness in the name of some fashionable political cause. I won’t support it.
Purebred dog and even purpose bred sporting crossbred dog people have gotten super weird with their contractual obligation strings attached to sales. In my world, if you buy an animal, you own that animal outright from the Bill Of Sale date forward. But that doesn’t seem the case in the pro dog world? Some of these contracts are full of stipulations about showing, breeding, neutering, and the breeders are not afraid to send threatening letters through lawyers to owners of puppies/now grown competing dogs demanding breeding rights/pick of litter rights/proper social media crediting etc. It’s just crazy some of the stories. It’s not something I want to add to my life.
My current dog is the pup I bought through the Mennonite dog broker from the Amish, and for the price and complete lack of BS, that’s the way to go for me anymore. Great dog for me and all the fancy dog club sport dog people who have seen him run/train think he’s just the bees knees. He is Titled AKC and UKI Agility. UKI Titled to Champ in the International program and he Qualified for a Bye at the US Open in Jacksonville 2021. Not bad for a crossbred Amish farm dog who is (unlucky enough to be) a first “real” Agility dog for his handler.
I’m in the puppy market again this spring and I am already stalking the Mennonite’s account where she posts her puppies for sale.
So, asking the obvious - do they test breeding stock for hip dysplasia? Because if you really want a sporting dog that is not predisposed to injuries, you would want to know that they don’t have parents who are dysplastic. Hip dysplasia is common in most sporting breeds, so it is par for the course for a good breeder to test for it.
Not sure what sporting breed you are interested in, but I could probably hook you up with a good breeder in several sporting breeds that would sell you a dog without crazy strings attached.
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So I met a Whip-a-Doodle at the dog park last weekend. That was a strange looking dog - like a super lean poodle but with a more pointed muzzle and rose ears. The owner said it was an intentional breeding. A co-worker owned the Poodle (sounded like a badly-bred Standard from the lady’s description) and decided to breed her “to make money.” She was going to breed her to a Golden Retriever, but didn’t have one lined up when the bitch went in heat, so she bred her to another co-worker’s Whippet. The owner of the mutt said she got her for free because the breeder’s rent was going up so she decided to move in with her boyfriend and needed to “get rid” of the puppies because the boyfriend had a Rottweiler that would apparently “have killed them.” 
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Ugh 
I’m a Whippet person, and I just can’t even…
SO much to dislike here ^^^. SIGH
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Re: the discussion over breeding for form over function and vice-versa.
A good example of this is a conformation-bred English Setter vs a Llewellyn Setter (usually bred for hunting). The dogs look similar but are different in type - Llewellyn’s are usually a bit smaller and finer-boned and they often lack the noble, aristocratic head shape and expression of a show-bred ES.
First pic is a conformation-bred English Setter; second pic is a field-bred Llewellyn. My preference is the conformation-bred dog because I like the look better and I’m not interested in hunting. But I can see how someone who is primarily wanting a gun-dog could be happy with a Llewellyn.
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I need to stop clicking links on FB. The link was to the most expensive dog breeds. I learned a new one a Doodle Doodle! All were legitimate breeds but this one. It is a cross between a labradoodle and a goldendoodle! 
The llewellyn is beautiful!! Having been the burr remover off our SM (a “shrunk in the dryer” version of the Llewellyn), all that hair of the show dog gives me the chills. To be useful, the clippers would have to come out… I met one of them once and she was a beautiful, sweet dog.
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I love that Llewellyn!
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The “LLEWELLIN” Setter;
As I said, I prefer the show-bred English Setter. So you are certainly welcome to the Llewellyn. 
(And to the other poster - yes, I know that a Llewellyn is an English Setter.)
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Yay! There’s a setter for everybody! 
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I want to see the “most expensive” dog breeds. Seriously, very curious how they are defining “most expensive.”
Especially any list that includes something called a Doodle Doodle and calls it a “breed.” The idea that someone pays a lot of money for a “lab mix” is just mind boggling.
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