Sigh - more designer breeds

I think this is where accessibility might come into play. The American Eskimo dog club doesn’t have a breeder listing that is accessible via phone, the Lapphound club lists a whopping 12 breeders in the US, and quite a few are not accepting applications.

My friend lives relatively close to the pomski breeder so after finding her online, she was able to go and visit the breeder and meet some of her dogs. I think that solidified her choice to buy from this breeder.

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Yes, sometimes you can wait quite a while on a reputable purebred. My point was that there are breeds out there that would have worked… when you do the crossbred thing, you’re really taking a chance on what you’re going to get with size, coat, temperament. I wouldn’t put a Pom and Husky in the same category at all, so that could have gone horribly. I’m glad they got lucky with a dog that works for them. He is very cute!

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I’m thinking that this is an attempt to “create” a miniature husky – at least phenotypically, of course!

I was just browsing CL for Gouldian finches to add diversity to my flock and came across two mind-blowing listings in the first 20 or so on the page.

First was for a litter of “schenkenise” puppies. I got the Pekingese part immediately, but had to read the description to find out that the other parent was a miniature schnauzer. The owner included pics of both parents and they were each terrible examples of their breed standard.

The other listing was someone trying to rehome a “Doodle cross”. That seems exceedingly redundant to me, given that a doodle-anything is already a cross. And the listing never stated what dog breeds were involved in this cross. And no picture.

This all leaves me completely befuddled! :joy:

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Saw this, and thought of this thread

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I don’t know. I just don’t know …

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Barf. Yeah, let’s talk about mutts like the product of two drastically different breeds is a consistent thing. Irish Bostetter??? Seriously? :unamused::unamused:

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Barf is the word.

:roll_eyes::woman_facepalming:

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I don’t even get it. The beginning of the article talks about how wonderful the purebreds are. So why would you cross them at all?

None of them looked very cute at all

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It’s hard enough to find a purebred Irish setter anymore—PLEASE don’t waste them to create more Designo-Mutts!

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I’ve owned 3 Irish setters, and they are glorious dogs.
Beautiful and very high-energy.
Why you’d want a cross is a mstery to me.

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That’s good to hear. The issue with many of these F1 crosses is simply even if they state they are doing genetic testing, they aren’t. They are breeding on prelims or not doing the full testing both of the parent breeds require, etc or are breeding two very different structures and setting the dog up for failure just with extremely poor conformation.

If someone wanted to do the full OFAs, genetic testing, and set out an ideal structure/temperament/drive then I think people would have much fewer issues with it, but given that most parent breed organizations don’t permit the sale of their breeds into being used for crosses makes it harder to achieve such an objective.

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These names are totally out of hand.

I mean what would a ShihPoo look like? Sounds like a pretty sh*tty cross to me.

If you cross a Doodle back to a Poodle, is it a DooPoo? But, please, not here.

I really hope ChowPoos aren’t a thing. That’s just not healthy.

Or, a Havanese cross to get HavaPoo? Do not want.

Please, just keep it because it’s YorPoo.

(It truly sounds like constipation isn’t a problem with designer dog breeders).

I heard a BichPese is popular with some folks. 'Cause, b*tch, please.

Is a GoldBich a thing? Sounds like a very cranky, expensive dog.

If you cross a Cocker Spaniel with a Bulldog, is it a Cock and Bull puppy?

I suppose a CockWeenie or a CockKing ad would get flagged on Craigslist.

You definitely want to avoid a RottenWeenie.

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My sister has a Shihtz-poo… cute little thing, but it trained my sister. It’s very spoiled.

I really think these cutesy names for mixes are a big reason this breeding trend is growing.

My latest shelter pup, Murphy, came from a local hoarder/puppy mill situation, with 70+ chihuahuas kept in a shed with no human contact.

He’s clearly not 100% chihuahua and after googling pictures of chihuahua/pug crosses I’m reasonably sure that’s what he is.

But I will never refer to him as a “Chug”. It’s an ugly name for this sweet, often-terrified dog that’s working so hard (still) to become a domesticated pet after his rough beginning. I will only ever call him a chihuahua mix, even if this particular cross had a cuter name than Chug.

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This isn’t true.

Parent clubs can’t police breeders, really. They just don’t usually attract member/breeders who would ever consider cross-breeding to produce dumb crosses. It kind of goes against the whole idea of a breed club.

If a member of my parent club was knowingly producing cross-breeds, their membership might be revoked, but that’s all that could happen to them. But, anyone producing designer crosses probably doesn’t care to belong to a breed club.

Now, there are rumors in many breed clubs about member/breeders sneaking other breeds into their supposed purebred breeding programs, and that’s another issue. If proven, they would definitely have their membership revoked, and would likely be sanctioned by AKC as well, which would mean they would not be able to compete, and I think, could not register their dogs with AKC as well.

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But isn’t that the point? If someone was trying to achieve high quality pets or establishing a new breed, wouldn’t they try and source high quality individuals to begin with? I suppose that was what I was trying to point out is that how can someone breed the crosses for structural soundness and a type if most of the parent organizations have code of ethics? Then the foundational animals, generally speaking, are not from breeders actively showing/participating in the parent club/etc.

But if they are trying to buy a Poodle for example, PCA doesn’t permit members to sell puppies to those that will cross-breed or the breeders lose membership into the PCA, which I suppose to most pet people/people just breeding for profit doesn’t mean anything.

As for sneaking other breeds in–imagine as horses…always been the tales as old as time as other things out behind the barnyard and occasionally it shakes out to be true ie the ASB in the Morgan soup.

Saw a new one on FB yesterday - a Doodleman. Take a guess…

Shrinkabulls. That one popped up on fb recently. English bulldog x French bulldog x who knows what else.

I mean WHY not just get a French bulldog? Also they had a blue Merle shrinkabull, I have no idea what went into that combination, although there seems to be a high premium on lots of skin folds. Do shar peis come in Merle?

As for revoking registration for cross breeding, that particular issue is causing great angst in my horse breed’s club. The US Fjord registry revokes papers for any Fjord found to have cross bred. It’s a good idea in theory. Fjords are in decline, they are genetically unique and ancient, it makes sense to take steps to preserve them… But the devil is in the details… It’s a small club with limited resources, if someone does cross breed their stud and you revoke the papers, a club may find themselves in a lawsuit. It doesn’t matter if they win, it may still bankrupt a club. And guess what, all you have achieved is guaranteeing that the horse in question will continue to sire crossbreeds or unregistered fjords who will never be registered or have their lineage recorded. It’s the law of unintended consequences at work. There’s not easy answer especially if it’s a small club.

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Well, yes, we agree on that. Except the breeder/member wouldn’t know for certain that someone intended to use their puppy in a cross-breeding program. So their membership is very unlikely to be affected unless they routinely supply doodle breeders with purebreds.

But it’s easy to get a purebred puppy that is even registered with AKC and not only are the breeders and owners not members of the parent club, but might not even know it exists. Puppy buyers have no idea either. They don’t know that “purebred” only means registered and nothing else. And the Continental Kennel Club will register just about anything.

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