"Sloping croup"

We’ll agree to disagree, then.

http://www.animalpages.com/gaiparada/pix/gp-action.jpg

If you have not seen Arabs (or other Saddleseat breeds) stretch and drop their backs when asked to pose, you don’t realize how different they can look.

Flexible loin is very different than weak.

"Dan and Robin Gainey both spoke of Gai Parada as a riding horse. “He [was] a pleasure to ride, he [was] well-mannered, [took] an interest in everything and [kept] your attention,” said Dan. Robin added, “He [loved] to be ridden out on the ranch around the cattle, and sometimes Dan [cut] cattle with him.” "
-So not a riding horse.

Please clarify
“with a croup that slopes up TWO TIMES MORE than his slope of his femur.”

http://visual.merriam-webster.com/images/animal-kingdom/ungulate-mammals/horse/skeleton-horse_1.jpg

Did you mean pelvis slope instead?

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8051253]
We’ll agree to disagree, then.

http://www.animalpages.com/gaiparada/pix/gp-action.jpg

If you have not seen Arabs (or other Saddleseat breeds) stretch and drop their backs when asked to pose, you don’t realize how different they can look.

Flexible loin is very different than weak.

"Dan and Robin Gainey both spoke of Gai Parada as a riding horse. “He [was] a pleasure to ride, he [was] well-mannered, [took] an interest in everything and [kept] your attention,” said Dan. Robin added, “He [loved] to be ridden out on the ranch around the cattle, and sometimes Dan [cut] cattle with him.” "
-So not a riding horse.[/QUOTE]

i have to wonder if you didn’t know about him until my post, as so far you haven’t really mentioned that his primary success was in driving. he had a very weak loin and long back and was purposely shown in driving where his high-kneed action and conformation would not be penalized (as opposed to being shown in halter/conformation classes). he may have been ridden, but his career was in driving. he is an example of a horse with a sloping croup… but his slopes upwards. i am aware that asking a horse to park may visibly make him look different than he really is… but it doesn’t change his structure. in every picture you see a stallion with a poor hind end.

there is a very informative article about him in PH, that discusses his weaknesses (as well as several other key arabian stallions). my comment really wasn’t to insult this stallion, but was only in response to an earlier post that said arabians have the worst/flattest backs (which i disagree with).

Well, I did have a grandson and a boarder at the same barn had a son, he was after all a popluar sire!

He was National champion (Halter) stallion in the late 1970’s and his dam Azleta was better in topline /shorter backed than Ferzon, his sire who DID have a long back; likely why Gai Parada was a good sire and the horses I saw were catty and powerful off their HQ, and with very good temperaments.

But everyone has their own experiences in the horse world, whether in person or from photos.

An exaample of a sloping croup!? NO, NO, NO!

If you must hate on this horse, say he has a negatively sloping croup. A sloping croup in horse circles has always meant down from the point of croup to point of buttock; with most people meaning the topline of the croup, not the pelvis (which it would be more functional to mean the pelvis.)

A flat croup or level croup the same.

Horses can have various croup topline angles and unrelated pelvic angles.

Carry on

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PLEASE don’t turn this into another TB vs. WB thing. this is about sloping croups.

it’d be interesting to see more insight in that regard - re: sloping croups. if you want more TB vs WB fodder all you need to do is review any of bayhawk’s frothy posts.[/QUOTE]

“Frothy” ? ~ insubstantial…hmmm… Interesting choice of words you use there seeing as everything I write here regarding use or non use of TB in sporthorse breeding has pertinent substance , can be factually verified and has been factually verified. That’s a little more than frothy fodder…

[QUOTE=mareslave;8050789]
The photo you posted of the bay horse with sloping croup was misidentified in earlier post as Baloubet du Rouet.

The bay horse that was pictured is Baloubet’s son Balou du Rouet (bay, 4 matching white socks, #24 world jumping sires 2014)

Baloubet is chestnut and, imho, does not have sloping croup:

http://lamias.se/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/baloubet.jpg[/QUOTE]

What he does have is a famously upside down neck. And a jumping style that compensated for it.

Here is my 3 year old free jumping for the first time.

I did look really hard at his “sloping” croup and what I saw that even though it was sloped, the triangle was even on each side. And he certainly doesn’t look like he will have a scope issue!!

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He looks very nice!