If the truth were known, the messages of comfort would quickly change to disbelief and horror!
It does my heart proud that there are so many really truly good, caring, generous, knowledgable, and openly available horse people out there. I now know that joining this cyber world vortex was a very wise decision.
Please, everyone take a breath, and note that there is a difference between not wanting to see the girl driven to suicide and defending or condoning her actions.
I would hate to see the board get divided over this incident, and I think people are turning on others not as ANGRY as they are.
Just because we aren’t part of the lynch mob doesn’t mean aren’t sick in our hearts over this poor creature. Give us a little credit.
Adorable. Was she deaf when you got her? I have a big rescue mutt myself who I found by the side of the road. She unfortunately, has never been smart enough to learn basic commands, let alone sign language.
Behind every good woman lies a trail of men
thank you … he was a special boy… and tonight he is in heaven with all the other great horses such as him…
Musical_Jumper
“Event riders leave no ring unrode, no jump over turned, and no ditch filled in.”
“Your competition just got better today, did you…”
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Before you guys accuse M_J of something that may have never happened, maybe you should give her a chance to tell the truth, if INFACT what she said was not the truth, which may not even be the case. I don’t think it’s fair that you jump to conclusions when she hasn’t even been here to tell the story or to defend herself. I’ve heard three different stories in the past two days regarding what “really” happened. None of them were the same, and I won’t believe any of them unless they come straight from her mouth. M_J is the only one who knows the WHOLE truth.
M_J - i’m really sorry to hear about Seger. Hugs to you 
Whatever did happen - i’m sure you must have been going through Hell.
If we have an emergency and are going to a call (may take some time to get there) it is entirely possible that we may call the clinic and get another tech headed over to the emergency. Sometimes the clinic is actually closer than we are.
So if the vet knows Touch very well… it could be possible she was on the list of folks to call to lend a hand to this girl (knowing that she is so inexpereinced).
My vet knows even on my off days if he needs to he can call me to respond to an emergency.
I’ve agonized over this all day. Reading Touche’s post brought tears to my eyes at work, and I want to thank her for telling the story. I’ve been going over in my mind the inconsistancies, the red flags that didn’t sit right ever since the “dreaded conversation” thread.
Now there is another inconsistancy that I want to mention, as I sense that many of us are beating ourselves up thinking that if only we had done something, the horse would have been saved. I want to say that there may have been nothing that could have saved him. I say this because it seems too short a time frame for all this to have happened.
Touche’ saw him in August and mentioned the lush pasture. In the two months since, he became emaciated to the point of not being able to get up. Maybe he couldn’t get up because maybe he was cast and had exhausted himself. But maybe he was suffering from a terminal disease that caused the severe weight loss and weakness.
Two months seems too short a timeframe for an otherwise healthy horse to have wasted away so completely, assuming he was getting at least some feed and water. Severe weight loss can be a symptom of a number of terrible diseases, many of which have no treatment options. Many years ago I watched helplessly as my jumper wasted away until euthanasia was our only option. All the vets could not save him. Tests showed nothing. But an autopsy showed massive untreatable cancer.
So while perhaps this could have been prevented, and should definitely have been handled differently, it is also possible that there was nothing anyone could have done to save Seger.
“Always speak your mind, but ride a fast horse” – Texas Bix Bender
This is just the worst! I’m truly, truly sorry. 
“I will not get involved in this thread, I will not get involved in this thread”…
Oh well, too late!
I remember when I first joined the BB that there was certain poster that presented false pictures of themself and their horse…while it did create a stir, this poster apologized and the entire BB community wholeheartedly received her back.
I think if MJ presented the entire, truthful story the BBer’s would be very understanding and forgiving. Trust is a big part of this board because many of us do not know the others. While there is fun with alter egos and so forth, each poster is trusted to be telling the truth. People get upset when this trust is broken.
Christ…I said the same thing a page back and I never got any smiley faces!!!
I think the vast majority of us on this board are pretty knowledgable horse people and would never take advice from a board over calling a vet. Gimme a break, we know when we are in over our heads. Give us some credit.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jetsmom:
This whole episode is so tragic.
I am not absolving MJ of responsibility, but believe no one in their right mind could do what she did concerning this whole thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jetsmom, I think you hit the nail on the head. As Touche informed us (and the most shocking/hurting fact to arise about M_J in these posts), M_J won a equine knowdown sponsored by the Pony Club on questions I’m assuming dealt with at least some healthcare issues. She KNEW information. This is not an example of someone truly oblivious and unknowledgeable about horses where they would be blantantly confused about the situation.
This is definitely a case of someone in need of help and the effects of her mental state are far-reaching, in such a tragic way.
Emily proud
member of the junior clique!
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yes… and i can just bet they will send us thier familliar winnies when we reach thier new homes in the future…and they are happy and do not feel any pain…
and id like to think that seger will win his races in heaven… he deserves a win… he really won my heart in the short time we were together…
Musical_Jumper
“Event riders leave no ring unrode, no jump over turned, and no ditch filled in.”
“Your competition just got better today, did you…”
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I take it as my PERSONAL responsiblity to make sure horses are well taken care of…whether they are mine or not.
And thats all I’ll say.
Always,
FairWeather
If you ever reach total enlightenment while you’re drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose. - Jack Handy
Touche, thank you for posting your first hand knowledge of the facts involving this sad story. I imagine after witnessing something that devestating, I would have been angry as well. While ignorance can excuse certain behavior, a normal human would notice when an animals reaches killer pen level emaciation. I still fault the parents, but am saddened that any horse lover could let this go as far as it did, then ask for sympathy, and advice on whether it would be okay to trot off to a concert. I have tried to understand both sides of the story until the facts came out and stil believ that nothing we say here can bring the poor animal back, but have to say I am sad to see the real story.
Behind every good woman lies a trail of men
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Remind self daily that living in America or other first world country is a privilege, and that as long as one can afford food and healthcare and a good education and a goddamn HORSE to goof about on one isn’t doing to badly.
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Remind self daily complaining about parents who are annoying and friends who are mean and not enough $$ for a new saddle is pretty weak compared to living in proverty in a third world country.
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Remind self daily to stop whining. It’s not cute.
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Remind self daily that the difference between a child and an adult is that an adult knows the value of life, the cost of life, and the meaning of living. A child just lives.
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Remind self daily that if one can take responsibility for a living thing, one had better grow up fast.
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If above doesn’t work, call 1.800.WAAH! and let me know what they say.
I posted that on my fridge for about 30 years. I’m finally getting it. Less chat, more action.
I’m so sorry MJ. Hang in there. It will hurt for a while. But it will get better. And I’ll bet you have lots of happy Seger memories.
(Edited cause we know what REALLY happened now)
[This message was edited by Looney Tunes (formerly Rockford) on Oct. 24, 2001 at 07:37 PM.]
Jair, it’s nice to see some compassion for a child that doesn’t appear to be getting ideal parental guidance. I hate to see the baby thrown out with the bath water, or in this case, the child buried along with the horse. As Louise said, she is not a hardened criminal.
Heather, you make so many good points, and it is comforting to read that most peoples’ reactions to their ignorance is “shocked horror.” I’ve witnessed the same, which is why I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt and try to help them instead of castigating them. This reminds me of something that happened when I was a teenager; a fellow boarder who was older but was just getting into horses tied her horse to the sliding stall door. He panicked and ran off dragging the door behind him. Fortunately, the injuries were minor, but she was in tears and so upset with herself. A few days later, I saw her leading him out to the paddock without the throat lash of his halter fastened. I apologized for butting in but did mention why it would be better to fasten the throat lash. She was incredibly appreciative of the advice since she really did not know. I refrain from giving unsolicited advice unless it’s a health or safety issue - and then no one is going to shut me up.
I’m talking to Winglet right now, and I must have worded that post very badly because I DID NOT MEAN ANYTHING BAD TOWARDS ETBW!! I wasn’t insulting her, I wasn’t saying she is a bad mother, I wasn’t implying ANYTHING only those lines. OMG…I give up. I came on trying to defend a friend and look at things from a different perspective and now people who I considered FRIENDS are turning their backs on me. If you guys would like I will go back and delete every post I ever wrote on this thread.
And ETBW, I am very sorry. I didn’t mean anything bad towards you by that post at all.
