So sorry, Musical Jumper....

[gwen]

I don’t know. It seems like there were about 10 or so people who OFFERED winter blankets and such. People offered alot of suggestions on taking care of him and it just seems like someone needed to actually go out there and check on him. That is very hard…but i just don’t know!

Barb

Everyone is so generous on these boards, I just can’t say enough about everyone!!! I remember when I thought my riding stuff was stolen with our car, some kind person offered me her extra pair of chaps!!! Everyone tried their best I think…even getting NAGGING and pressuring but this is a situation where that was needed. But it just went in one ear and out the other!!

[FatLilPony]

I thik the pony is at a friends house now? Isn’t it? That’s what I heard anyway. But then again, big scandal= big hearsay It’s ery tragic, and I hope MJ is thinking long and hard about this, I doubt she will get back into hrses. A part of me fels very bad for her, honestly, because she proably didn’t know the extent of her actions. Heck, if I’d never done it before, I wouldn’t know to the extet my horse could be malnourished and sta alive. She pobably didn’t know the reprecusions of her actions. Of course, not too much of me is that part-the other partis: she dosen’t sem to broken up bout it, andhoefully thiswill either teach her something for horses in the fiurture (which I hope she dosn’t have) and think of FEEDING her hors instead of going to a Knny Chessny cocert. People are ignorant, and it’s sad that her ignorancehad to cost this horses life, I know so may of you that would have offeredtotake the horse if you knew she coldn’t afford to treat him properly. It culd have prevented so easily, but then again, so could a lot of things. Just my 2 sense

I’m in envy, will you all please stop talking about how it’s cold?

[Inverness]

My favorite solace:

“Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of spendour in the grass, of glory in the flower;
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind;
In the primal sympathy
Which having been must ever be;
In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death,
In years that bring the philosophic mind.”

  Ode. Intimations of Immortality
  William Wordsworth, (1770-1850)

[PaulaM]

Excellent post Fairweather. You hit the nail right on the head.

[Seven]

Thanks for putting into words what I’ve spent all morning trying to draft.

Is there any explanation for the tradegy that occurred when we now understand and have witnessed that help was ALL AROUND this girl and horse – both real and virtual? Is there anything we could have done differently that would have/could have made a difference?

As for what we should do in the future? I can only suggest (as I have learned through my private conversations with other BBers) that we should stop holding back when we see red flags. A lot of people (myself included) read the warning signs in her post’s and yet failed to make a more compelling plea to her or take any action on the horse’s behalf. I certainly admire those who took a hard line with her about getting appropriate care for Cherry Upper, and I can only feel ashamed that I didn’t do more myself.

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[Bumpkin]

I think that most of us were very suspicious for a long time, but knew that if we showed much doubt that we would be flamed.

If you have read through the threads there are doubts, but just tiny ones, again because of the flame factor.

Even after Cherry Upper died, many people were flaming those BBer’s who knew what happened and posted it right out.

One thing I have learned in the two years I have been back into the horses after being away for 20, is “MY GUT FEELING” and “FIRST INSTINCT” has been right 99% to 100% of the time.

[Luv2ride]

So sorry, I posted the wrong smiley face. I didnt mean to have that one. I just wanted a regular smiley.

So sorry!!

~Nikki and Ethan~

*Whoever said money can’t buy you happiness, never owned a horse : ) *

[Inverness]

I agree with ETBW; that was a very courageous post, Touche.

I too hope the girl (and her parents) get the counseling help they need.

“The optimist fell ten stories,
And at each window bar,
He shouted to the folks inside,
‘Doing alright so far!’”

 --Anonymous

[Canter]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:

As for what we should do in the future? I can only suggest (as I have learned through my private conversations with other BBers) that we should stop holding back when we see red flags. A lot of people (myself included) read the warning signs in her post’s and yet failed to make a more compelling plea to her or take any action on the horse’s behalf. I certainly admire those who took a hard line with her about getting appropriate care for Cherry Upper, and I can only feel ashamed that I didn’t do more myself.

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It is certainly difficult, if not impossible to seperate the virtual world from the real one. Discussion boards give us a glimpse into someone’s life, providing the information being shared is true and honest. I agree that we may benefit from taking what is typed here seriously. But just as importantly to me, it is seeing us all take a moment for those “real” people and animals amongst us who may also be in need of help. I don’;t doubt that M_J and poor Seger were real, but a part of me finds this whole thing terribly unreal. You know?

[DOME]

But I do have one question:

Perhaps I interpreted Touche’s initial post the wrong way, but if this vet was trying to “prepare” touche for what she was about to see…then obviously the vet was aware of the condition Seger was in. Obviously, he went to MJ to do tests on the horse, but he took no action to take seger then. This was only days before this incident, obviously Seger must have been in the same condition he was in when he was put down. The vet should have taken the initiative, and taken this malnourished horse from MJ RIGHT THEN AND THERE. You don’t need test results to prove a horse is emaciated and malnourished. Any person with some experience wiht animals can see that a horse in being mistreated. This, is also something that people should be concerned with. The vet should have immediately taken action.

I really don’t feel like going through what I feel about this incident. I think everyone else had pretty much said all that can be said. However, it is evident that counseling will be needed somewhere in this situation. Someone who would starve a horse to death, as I have interpreted from the evidence given, and search for sympathy and receive it from others!!! has a ludicrous approach to not only horses, but to animal welfare.

I hope Seger is now without suffering. It is a shame he lived his last months like he did, desperate for real love and attention.

DOME
“It’s a passion and an obsession…100% is not enough.”

[This message was edited by Erin on Oct. 25, 2001 at 10:46 AM.]

[Musical_Jumper]

i am going to attend the concert… ill do it b/c i know seger would’ve loved to hear about it… and when i get home sunday i will sit by his grave and tell him… i know that those who are gone can hear us when we speak to them…

Serendipity>> lol… thats kewl

Musical_Jumper

“I’m sick of the tension, sick of the hunger
Sick of you acting like I owe you this
Find another place to feed your greed
While I find a place to rest”

http://accopmanyme.tripod.com/tiffanyswebwonderland/ ~~ Come check out my site!!

[suzy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kcorseinop:
stuff you said about her being “so self centered, not caring what her parents thought, everything was about ‘her her her’, she was so lazy and was only good for a day and a half of work”

This describes most teenagers, and I don’t mean that as an attack. I LOVE teaching teenagers, but I always go into it accepting that they are teens and, with few exceptions, will behave like teens and think that the world revolves around them. Heck, it revolved around “ME, ME, ME” when I was that age. It’s the nature of the beast.

I don’t disagree that mistakes have been made, but I’m still unwilling to participate in a witch hunt. Touche’s suggestion that MJ get counseling is the most positive, constructive thing I’ve seen posted here.

JustJump, it would appear that we were posting simultaneously. I am in complete agreement with your comment, “Again, I ask that those here on the BB consider that the continued negative comments, however well-justified, may be very destructive in what appears to be a fragile situation.”

[ClipClop]

Well I just feel like a big stupid head.
Apologies are extended to all whom my previous post was directed to.

I went and thanked my parent’s today after reading this thread with a big hug for supporting my hobby with a big hug and a sincere thank you.

~Insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results~

[Justbay]

Sorry to hear about your horse…

[jsg24]

Touche, Thanks for your post. Maybe you can shed some light on MJ’s family. What were her parents doing/thinking during all of this? I agree it is too much for a 16 year old to be the sole provider and caretaker for a horse.

[AAJumper]

Canter, I read it just now. It doesn’t change my feelings at all.

[dublin]

Maybe we need an Off Topic week
in response to this!?!

“Of course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” - Dennis Miller
Still proud to be a UCLA Bruins football fan!

[Cactuskate]

I believed to have been better informed and am removing this previous post. Thank you.

“The older I get, the better I used to be, but who the heck cares!”

[This message was edited by Cactuskate on Oct. 23, 2001 at 12:44 PM.]

[Eglinton]

Ditto what Tin and Quinn said…

[Kcorseinop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather:
Please, everyone take a breath, and note that there is a difference between not wanting to see the girl driven to suicide and defending or condoning her actions.

I would hate to see the board get divided over this incident, and I think people are turning on others not as ANGRY as they are.

Just because we aren’t part of the lynch mob doesn’t mean aren’t sick in our hearts over this poor creature. Give us a little credit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Heather!! This is what I have been trying to say all along! I have never said I agreed with what she did/didn’t do, but nothing that has been said on this thread will help in any shape or form to bring back Seger. Tiffany is EXTREMELY upset, wether you want to believe it or not, and something like this could very easily drive a young girl to suicide. She needs help and WE need to help her get that help, not keep criticizing (sp?) her for something that can’t be undone!