what the hell was wrong with her prior owners? People are total idiots. She is lucky to have found you.
I love when dogs mutter. I swear Monty thinks he is talking back when he grumbles at me.
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Edited because I now choke at the thought of supporting this girl. 
[This message was edited by ErinB on Oct. 24, 2001 at 07:14 PM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KAM:
While the details may hurt to discuss, I think a clear explanation of the facts would really help some of us feel at peace about Seger’s death. While the romantic ideas about Seger running around in horse heaven are nice, I think it is a shame that he is not running around down here on earth.
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I agree KAM. While I am loathe to flame M_J over this, I’ve got to say that if you are going to share a story like this with the public, then you owe the public the full story. Cast horses are not put down simply because they are tired.
M_J help us help you …
Kudos to all of the generous and helpful people on this board for offering support and advice in response to the horse’s plight.
I personally feel sickened knowing how my trust was abused but am so proud to be a part of the overall outstanding group of wonderful people here. Let’s not let that “one bad apple” spoil what we have.
Horse suffered from inoperable chronic peritonitis with a huge abscess that would come and go. She lost weight, but was still eating.
It wasn’t until she showed signs of colic for the first time that we had the vet out. She went to an equine vet who found a mass, but could do nothing, and then to the state vet school. That same night the vet school recommended putting her down based on the mass found by the ultrasound. At the time her bloodwork wasn’t really so very bad. She was at a respected professional trainer’s, getting good care when she finally showed signs of colic.
The state vet school said that nothing would have likely showed on normal vet work, except a mild infection. The severity of her illness would have showed up on a belly tap, but who does belly taps on apparently healthy horses?
By the time she died, she was in pretty poor shape, but that had happened in only a couple of days. About half of her gut was dead, and the abscess had grown around part of her liver and the portal vein.
Sometimes when you see a horse every day, you don’t realize how much weight they are losing.
I have been thinking about this and about my experience. We may be too hasty in our condemnation.
ETBW>> thank you dearly… i have not yet been able to really cry… i dont cry in front of fmily and mother had company… its just something that makes me look weak i guess…
i hope that your equines are great on this evening… i know they know how much you love them…
you know… as i look outside tonight its a nice night actually… and i am wondering if its b/c my dear Seger is trotting amongst the stars watching over me… telling me its ok…we’ll be together eventually…
but thats just from me… and im pretty emotional tonight…
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:
Perhaps she hasn’t been around becuase it 2:20 in the afternoon in Indiana. M_J is probably still in school at this time and can either respond or not respond to these posts when she gets home.
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Actually, I’ve only seen her on for about 10 minutes in the past two days.
Honestly, i’m sure she feels bad enough, why must everyone jump down her throat about it? She’s 16, her parents don’t know much about horses, she doesn’t have a trainer and we ALL make mistakes. This may have been hers and i’m sure she has learned her lesson and doesn’t need everyone else telling her what she did wrong.
this is for you.
You already know I like your outlook!!
Was that post geared towards me? Do you guys even realize that I, too, am 16 and I can assure you that, with the crap we go through as teenagers, something like that would drive me to kill myself. And no, I am not joking. Kill myself may be pusing it- but you can’t push teenagers. You’re a mom, you should know that. They take everything seriously. Atleast I do, so I was talking in general terms re: the suicide post. That’s why I changed my name- so everyone WOULDN’T know who I was and WOULDN’T judge the contents of my posts based on my age, because we all know it happens. And it sucks.
M-J, I’m so sorry. If there’s anything we can do for you, let us know.
Valerie
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClipClop:
You guys, MJ doesn’t OWE you all anything. Imagine how hard it must be for her to get on this BB, and read people’s posts accusing her of not telling the whole story/lying about her horses death!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not trying to flame you in any way shape or form Clip Clop but IMHO, once her story was made public it became the public’s story and therefore we have every right to ask for clarification - or more news.
The overriding question should be but do we have a right to judge?
…that we closed this topic? I’ve heard enough, thank you.
“The simple truth is never simple and rarely true.”
-Oscar Wilde
Oh, K- you have no e-mail address if anyone DID want to e-mail you.
Valerie
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MJ, My thoughts are with you. I’m very sorry for your loss. I’ve been there and it’s very, very hard.
but whatever posseses people to be so mean, small-minded, vindictive and judgemental as some of the posts on this thread make them out to be? What possible good can come out of being so hateful to a young girl who’s just lost her horse? How can you possiblly think such comments could help ANYTHING? To those of you that have written these things: think back on what it is like to be 16. Think back on how YOU felt at 16. Now think back on how it would have felt to have to put your horse down. Now think how it would be to be attacked about it and have it implied that you had done something underhanded and evil! Jesus! Not a one of you was there–not a one of you has any idea what happened. Do all of you who attacked this child look in on your horses every hour of every day? Have you never found them hours after a problem? I have! I had a horse fall down on ice when I was about her age–I have no idea how long he’d been down, but he was nearly dead from the exhaustion of trying to get up. It was touch and go and required many dollars of vet care to save him–that particular owner had the money and could pay it; many people can not. I can tell you that Cloverdale is not exactly the high dollar capital of the midwest–many people there can not afford $1000’s of dollars in vet bills. AND M_J is correct, there is a dirth of good equine vets in that area.
You can’t watch your horses every minute of every day and live the rest of your life. Let those of you that are perfect stand forth and I’ll salute you. Otherwise don’t kick someone who is already down! Shame on you.
Step off of that band wagon-GIRL!!! None of us not 1 person has ever eluded to the fact that you must be rich, in a fancy barn, or over legal age…NOT ONE!!! What we are saying if you read…MY KNICKERS ARE IN A BUNCH…is that you must and I repeat must be responsible to care for animals. Now I know this is not a perfect world. I am not so dense! There are so many bad animal people out there!!! But if you can hook up a modem, make a website, post on The Chronicle of the Horse boards many times a day, you can certainly tell if the walls in the stall are covered in diarrhea and that too many ribs are showing. My god where do you come off. We have all been more then supportive!!! Who are you to judge us this way!!! Can you tell I am a little worked up over this? I desperately hope you reread what you posted because there is not a one of us here who blamed not being rich enough as a good enough reason. You silly, silly person…
anything we say here now is just muttering and bickering amongst ourselves. We should probably all retire to our respective quarters and lick our emotional wounds instead of dragging those who have either decided to stay out of it or have finished already back into the thick of it. And boy, is it thick… I think we were all hurt and shocked by this, and we don’t know how to react to someone hurting us and then being gone, so we do what we always do… we post about it. I include many of you in my list of friends (which is not as extensive as I wish it were, but still…) and therefore I trust you with my feelings and, in some cases, my heart. But we need to move on, we’ve covered all we can for now.
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Oh MJ, I’m sooo sorry! What a darn shame to loose your beloved Seger. I know you did the right thing as hard as it may be. We are here to support you if you need us. Seger is in horsie heaven having a blast right now! All the oats he wants and he doesn’t have to get his mane pulled ever! All my love sweetie, hang in there! Love your other mom!
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Granted, the horse needed attention, but if he was not in a life threatning (immediate) situation, I do not find it surprising that he did not come out for a few days. He came out to run tests from what I understand and making an appointment with a busy vet takes time. I find it hard to believe a vet would reccomend putting a horse down when not needed considering the fact that not only his reputation would be on the line, and the fact that he would be guilty of malpractice. I have heard of too many “emergencies” which should have been looked at earlier before the horse got to a certain situation or that were basically routine.
I don’t know what happened, but I don’t think insinuating should be the way to go. I think the people who have posted that they have questions are legit., but those who have put critisism on the board for others to read (and granted they cannot post the “facts”–again something that only tests and the vet can validify) when they could not elaborate should have let it go. It is too easy to put blame on people without concrete evidence.
As to ASPCA/Humane Society, while I am basing this on my experience only, I am really less than thrilled with them. They tend to talk a good game, but drop the ball. A leased horse of mine died in agony when the vet was not call, and I was not notified and she did not receive proper care. The facts beared out that she initially had an impaction but ruptured–the vets believe that her rolling because she was not attended caused a twist adding to her pain. While I had affidavits stating the lack of care and that the vet was only called once at the start, both organization told me that unless the horse was starved or did not have water, it was not neglect. This is not the case. In this state, we have a statute that provides for the prosecution of individuals who deny proper care that causes the suffering of the animal. I’ve read it, and they just didn’t want to get involved.
I like your post, why don’t you take fairweather’s thought and start it as a new topic?
I think it is worthy of its own identity and not to be drug through the mire of this title.
What do you think?
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