Moi aussi, mon ami! 
frequently uses the “fool me twice” quote, but I don’t know whether she originated it.
This whole situation has been difficult for me to follow as well. As Paula mentions, noone knows for sure the exact circumstances, but reading MJ’s post, they waited for help from out of town, and then waited for the vet, and then the horse pushed his way out later. In reading the cast horse thread, and having done it myself, it’s just odd to me that the situation couldn’t have been rectified earlier upon finding the horse down…it’s just such a sad thing, but I just feel like something is missing…there is always a “why”. Treatment is always an iffy thing, especially when you get differing opinions and comments-trust me, I’ve just been there, and I am in no way being critical-more inquisitve since the threads have led us to here…
However, that said, no amount of discussion will bring him back, and I am very sorry for MJ’s loss-we have all been there. There is always opportunity however to learn from loss to save others.
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They’ll need an e-mail address to do this. Nothing posted on your profile…
Thanks everyone. Of course I won’t let this keep me from trusting people (on COTH- or in real life for that matter). But I do think I’ll be reading into the situation a lot more first. I only want to trust trustworthy people from now on.
Which, of course, would include just about everyone here!
To answer this question-
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Yes, I did. If the other side of this story is true, I find the “tribute” appalling. Absolutely appalling. 
Erin
~Stressed is Desserts written backwards…Concidence? I think not!~
A picture of my deaf dog Claire. 
For those who have not been following the other thread (which I just closed), Musical Jumper had to put her horse Seger down today.
Sincerest condolences.
M_J is your pony doing ok?
-Megan-
it took 2 weeks to get a vet appointment yet when it came down to it, the day he died he was there within an hour!!!
Barb 
All I can say is that I spent an extra long time out in the pasture tonight; knocking apples down and just watching my horses… It makes me want to cry. Poor Cherry Upper… I suppose though that we can take comfort in that he is better off now. I just worry about the pony, if MJ is this naive (or ignorant, however you chose to word it.)… Is there anyone who can check up on him? I know Touche said she’d called, but is there anyway someone can check in person?
The saddest thing is that even if a person can manage to take horses away from someone who is neglecting them, there is really not much to stop that person from just getting another… Like another poster mentioned with the lady and the JR’s…
A horse, a horse, of course, of course, unless he’s worth a million and five.
So sorry for your loss, M_J.
Can I be so bold as to ask what the problem was? I know someone said it was unrelated to the weight issue. If it’s too difficult to talk about, I understand.
And Kcorseinop, there is no reason to close this thread. M_J has had ample opportunity to provide an explanation to those she sought to involved in this mess. Erin has a set the parameters on the types of posts that will be permitted and so long as those guidelines are followed, there is nothing to be gained by closing this thread.
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You’re right, ETBW…I think for the most part we are a good group of people who care about all horses, wether we own them or not.
I began reading these threads a couple of days ago, after I had posted in reply to one of MJ’s posts about draw reins on the dressage board. I am not too far removed from my own teenage angst (I’m 24), and I spent summers during college (and after, until I found a “real” job) teaching and coaching a great bunch of pony club kids. Several of them were working students for us, with responsibility for some very expensive (and often very difficult) event horses. I can assure you that each and every last one of them over the age of 13 knew when they were in over their heads. They knew when it was appropriate to seek out help, be it from myself, my trainer or a phone call to the vet’s office. These “kids” were our lifeline around the farm and at events, worked their butts off, rarely complained and rose to the occasion every time. That being said, I don’t think being a teenager is in any way, shape or form a legitimate excuse for neglect.
What truly appalled me was the resentfulness that MJ exhibited towards Seger as the reason she couldn’t go “clubbing” or out with her boyfriend or drink or do this or that or the other thing with her friends. I’m sorry, I have no sympathy. While the upkeep of my horses was financially supported by my parents (when I was a teenager) I busted my butt as a working student in exchange for a couple of flat and jumping lessons each week. I braided and groomed for the cash to compete. I rode my horses 6 days a week. I was completely responsible for their care, as they lived on our property. I almost never went out and my social life consisted of hanging out cleaning tack with a couple of other kids at the barn. I had no problem with that. My horses were my life.
The greenie I own now is the most important thing in my life. Everything else I do comes second to his well-being (with the exception of my job, which is what pays for his very large board, vet, shoe, chiro, etc, bills). It is an absolute privilege to own one of these animals, and an even greater privilege to have them trust you entirely for their well-being. If you feel as if they are a burden, you SHOULD NOT own one. Nevermind two. If you can’t afford for routine veterinary maintenance care, you shouldn’t own one. If you can’t afford emergency care (because if an emergency hasn’t arisen yet, trust me, it will), you shouldn’t own one. If you can’t put your animal’s well-being before your own creature comforts (i.e. concert tickets, western saddle, etc), you shouldn’t own one. This applies whether you are 16 or 60.
MJ- if you are reading this, I am so sorry that this lesson had to come at the expense of a lovely animal. You seem like a very confused, misguided and angry young woman, and it is not your fault that you feel this way. I urge you to seek the help of a qualified professional in coping with this tragedy and getting your life in order.
Dr.>>> i appologize for my comment…
Musical_Jumper
“Event riders leave no ring unrode, no jump over turned, and no ditch filled in.”
“Your competition just got better today, did you…”
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I would like to suggest that everyone on this thread who has expressed such concern for MJ’s horse, PROVE their concern by going to the “Refugee Horses in Pakistan and Afghanistan” thread, click on the links, and make a donation to one of these two organizations. There is nothing more any of us can do for Seger. The real horse lovers will put their money and energy where their mouths are and donate time, money, or both to the organizations that Erin posted. There is nothing to be gained by speculating on what happened with Seger but much to be gained and to feel good about by helping those horses that are working so hard to save their owners’ lives.
Natty-there is a reason for no smilies-haven;t you read the invisible poster thread???
Life is too short to dance with ugly men
Founding Member: Invisible Poster Clique
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Was that post geared towards me? Do you guys even realize that I, too, am 16 and I can assure you that, with the crap we go through as teenagers, something like that would drive me to kill myself. And no, I am not joking. Kill myself may be pusing it- but you can’t push teenagers. You’re a mom, you should know that. They take everything seriously. Atleast I do, so I was talking in general terms re: the suicide post. That’s why I changed my name- so everyone WOULDN’T know who I was and WOULDN’T judge the contents of my posts based on my age, because we all know it happens. And it sucks.
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Ah, okay. So you’re saying that she took advantage of people showing an unbelievable amount of compassion and concern, lied and lied again about the condition of her horse, watched the poor horse DIE and yet she still lied, claiming that he was humanely put down, he’s up in horsey heaven and that’s the end of the story. Even when everything was revealed she STILL denied it, and while there might be some underlying phsycological issues to be addressed, the fact is she’s proved herself to be untrustworthy, irresponsible and selfish, and all this at the cost of her horse.
Yet she still deserves our pity and our sympathy? Recall if you will that people were offering her blankets for her horse free of charge, offering their advice and their concern and I have no doubt probably e-mailing her with their condolences when Seger died. Actually, that’s why this thread was started! But though I’m concerned about Tiffany, I’m not going to pity her any longer. When a horse dies of neglect, the last thing I feel is sympathy and pity for the person responsible, regardless of her age.
I’m 16. Duh life sucks when you’re 16. It sucks it sucks it sucks it sucks. I admit it. It sucks it sucks it sucks. But the thing that would push me to suicide would be the guilt I would feel if this happened to my horse (which it wouldn’t). Tiffany apparently does not feel guilty, at least she hasn’t shown it on the board.
If a bunch of cyber people whom you’ll never meet can push you to suicide, goodness how would you react if your horse colicked? You know, stuff in real life? I may be a little crazy, but I’m not insane! 
Erin
~Stressed is Desserts written backwards…Concidence? I think not!~
I’m very sorry for your loss.
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well… i am gone for a while and i come hoem to find this… first off… i dont care what cetrain peopel say that beleive cetrain things… i dunno WHAT they heard or beleive… but everyone is entitled to thier opinions, thoughts, and everyone has a right to post thier thoughts on any subject on this board… so i am not angry with anyone who “flamed” me…but i am curious as to what you hve hear that made you beleive i am lying about my seger’s death !!! were any of you here ??? do you even know me!!! i have pnly been flamed by those people on this thread who i have have no idea who they are !!! i do not know who or what you have been told or heard… but personally i would like to know… my email is iwanna_dreamguy@hotmail.com
well, the vet called last night but i was not here to get the call… i will tell you what i have heard from my mother who talked to the dr. he is supposed to be mailing me the actual results… but for now this is what i know… mother told me that the dr said that the tests all came in and showed conflicting reports… i dont know what she emant by this… hopefully the vet will clear it up when he mails me the papers… she also said that his levels of red and/or white blood cells were unbalanced… again… i dunno what thta means compared to evrything else… but this is what i was told this morning…
i must hav emissed some thread or some posts… b/c i am totally clueless as to what has been going on… people are saying they were “better informed” or “told what really happened”… but i woudl like to know how b/c i have not seen anything, and i do not know of anyone besides those who live in THIS house who know what happened… nobody outside of my family was here the entire time he was sick, and they are the only ones who should know what the “thruth” is…
and what is this about the possibilty of me being a fake poster… well, i am not THAT immature as to post false pictures, posts, and opinions about who and what i am… anyone who would do that is just pathetic… i have not and never will do that !!!
i obviously have missed alot… but lately i have been trying to move on and spend time living my life and enjoying my pony… right now he is acting wierd b/c he is alone. and im helping him sorta get over it in any way that i could help as only a human… i do not have access to this 24/7 so obviously i miss alot that i should probly know about…
Musical_Jumper
“I’m sick of the tension, sick of the hunger
Sick of you acting like I owe you this
Find another place to feed your greed
While I find a place to rest”
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