So what can be done to make Dressage more affordable?

wow… sounds pretty nasty what you write…

I think on the other hand that it is pretty annoying to discuss with people and to bring arguments only to hear that it this is possible already…
It may be, but obviously it usually doesn’t happen (close to never). so it really doesn’t count…

My argument for making showing more affordable is that somebody (might be riders themselves or local companies ) would sponsor classes with prize money to give riders the chance to win their entries back… And I don’t get it why it should make the classes more expensive… If I donate $200 for the 2nd level test for the first 3 placings, why would it make the class more expensive???
and obviously its a crappy idea lost in my poor knowledge of English…

If you’re a true adult amateur working to qualify for something, (gen.)you probably have a regular, non-horse full time job. And that job may not be a Mon-Fri 9-5 job that has every weekend off. So you may only have a few weekends in a summer to show, and the 2 shows/1 weekend format can make qualifying happen for these people.

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I live in New Zealand. Our shows are run by volunteers, with business sponsorship. (Usually the non-horsey businesses have some link to individuals involved in dressage.) I paid approx USD$60 for a weekend with four tests and a covered yard. But presumably it helps that we are a small population where people know each other, volunteer, thank and support sponsoring businesses, etc.

I wrote that because somewhere, someone mentioned that they could not afford dropping a few thousand dollars for a show. Frankly it might have been on one of the other threads the OP created to complain about shows.

And I cannot think of many events that would cost less than about that for a weekend. Certainly not the Orlando attractions. Not a weekend at the beach in a hotel. Probably not a concert if you had to travel and got good seats.

This is where we CHOOSE to spend our money. NO ONE forces anyone to show recognized. Many local groups have great unrecognized shows and offer great awards programs.

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Your first argument makes no sense. The rules allow amateurs to win money. The fact that it is not common doesn’t mean that the rule “doesn’t count,” it means that there is no effective mechanism to FUND that prize money you are so anxious to win.

Your argument about making shows more affordable amounts to a request for other amateurs to subsidize showing opportunities for you or other people who don’t want or cannot spend what it costs to show at those venues.

Sponsorship is not donation or charity. It is a MARKETING COST for which the sponsor expects a return on investment.

You are looking for donations. I don’t think you will find them, to be honest. And I am really not sure why you think someone else should subsidize your hobby.

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Competitions and clinics can be affordable. Locally, our chapter of the state GMO (Oregon Dressage Society) has done many things to make dressage more affordable. We offer low-key schooling shows, two League shows (one tier below USDF-licensed competitions), and one USDF show each year. (Except we are on hold right now). Having shows at different levels attracts a broad range of competitors. Showing at League and schooling shows allows competitors to show without paying for multiple memberships and entry fees are lower.

The schooling and League shows are always full because riders from other disciplines like to compete without lots of pressure. We offer western dressage classes and one of our best competitors in that class rides a mule. (She also rides in regular classes as well.) Many riders haul in for a small fee, so that helps with cost. The facility also allows camping for the USDF show, which really helps with cost!

We have been very successful in attracting sponsors, so that has offset our expenses. While we don’t offer prize money, our generous sponsors give us gift cards, products, and swag to award to class winners. Profits from the shows are used to sponsor educational activities and we offer to pay GMO dues for new young riders who are interested in dressage. At one time, we offered to offset clinic costs for members who were willing to attend and give a brief report about what they learned.

We are lucky to have a privately-owned farm host our competitions and clinics. It’s a top-notch facility that provides a welcoming atmosphere. The facility offers clinics that are affordable and provide a variety of clinicians. For a nominal fee that includes lunch, you can watch a BNT teaching students at all levels or a western trainer who starts young horses.

Of course, this does not factor in the cost of buying a horse, training, or upkeep. That is something an individual has to figure for themselves. If you are happy to ride in schooling shows, you can still enjoy the experience without joining USDF of USEF while riding any type of horse. Same with League shows, which offer year end awards if you are a state GMO member. No membership is required to enter a League show.

My point is dressage can be more affordable if other GMOs are willing to set up a system like ours. It does take work and involvement. We are lucky to have an active and creative group willing to put in the effort.

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It used to be 60% required at the highest test of the level, or any test a level above.

The controversial rule, that was so quickly enacted, changed that to 63% to qualify at all levels of Freestyle.

The compromise, after the outcry and discussion, was to leave it at the (new) 63% requirement through Fourth Level-- but to return it to 60% for FEI Freestyles.

It was never 65%, that would have had people lighting pyres. :eek:

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@Silverbridge thanks. And I agree. It was almost that anyway…

So explain to me what is the difference between sponsoring and donations??? But it’s ok you can make it sound bad if you like…
I had the experience in my other organisation I am a member in where this worked really well… The wealthier member (sponsored) or donated a lot of money and items to make the events happening every year. So everybody could enjoy it.
And OMG they were all Americans…
But I get it not possible for Dressage… The big organisations really need the money and other then that if you don’t have the money don’t show… very easy…

I am curious as to how many of you who show actually volunteer too? I ask because people in my area just don’t volunteer like we did in the old days. Volunteers help bring the cost down.

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My son used to volunteer at the rated show facility during Highschool. I did not recognize that it got the costs down…

My argument for making showing more affordable is that somebody (might be riders themselves or local companies ) would sponsor classes with prize money to give riders the chance to win their entries back… And I don’t get it why it should make the classes more expensive… If I donate $200 for the 2nd level test for the first 3 placings, why would it make the class more expensive???
and obviously its a crappy idea lost in my poor knowledge of English…

Lucassb had it spot on about why you aren’t going to find companies to give money. Fund raising of any sort is hard and the show manager would probably have to hire someone to try.

When you look at any prize list there are well over 20 classes. That means over 20 riders would need to cough up $200 so there could be prize money for every class. Conclusion - Make it more expensive for some riders so it can be less expensive for others.
Shows around here run me $325. So adding $100 or $200 is, for me, a big increase. And I dont even get a tax deduction for that extra amount.

Prize money would be great, but the realistic situation is that its not simple to find. Other disciplines just increase the per class cost - a little bit for everybody.

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Is dressage only about showing? Most all of what I’ve read is really about how to making showing more affordable. No showing, regardless of the discipline is affordable, dressage is not the exception, it’s just one of the smaller disciplines compared to others.

I ride dressage and have absolutely no desire to show. I would however, love lessons, especially on school masters and would love a good dressage dedicated magazine (printed). I would support a good dressage organization if it didn’t misrepresent itself about being about education when it is really focused on showing, which is fine but state as it as such.

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OK. For the THIRD time…

Sponsorships are a form of MARKETING. The company that writes the check, provides the prizes etc gets access to and the ability to promote their product or service to the riders/spectators at the horseshow. In that respect it is really not much different than buying an ad in the show program. The company sponsor expects to get a RETURN on that investment, through more awareness of their product or service, leading to more sales.

That is not a donation, which seems to be what you are looking for based on your reply above and previous posts. I am still really not sure why you think someone else should subsidize your hobby.

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Agression again… For the record… I DO NOT NEED ANYBODY TO SUBSIDIZE MY HOBBY!!!

The question was how to make dressage (Showing more affordable). One possibility obviously would be that riders or companies would sponsor classes with prize money.
And for your information it could either be sponsoring or simply the love for Dressage which would make somebody sponsor a class.
You seem to be pretty selfish because you cannot even imagine that somebody would do that…
I told you before that I did experience it different in the the US in another organization where participants sponsored part of the event… And they seemed to like it…

But I apologize, you seem to be offended from the idea…

it is possible in other countries, and I was educated that the possibly is there in the US… But I get it not in reality…

Nope, no aggression from me. You asked what the difference was between sponsorship and donation… so I told you (for the third time, actually.) The fact that you don’t care for that is not an indication of aggression on my part. You can stop the name calling and yelling as well.

And you have already noted the dearth of prize money so obviously - there are not people lined up to donate. For the record, I have sponsored quite a few classes at various shows. I did it to support my GMO, as I was a board member at the time and thought that was an appropriate gesture of support.

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I’ve sponsored classes at a few different shows. If it makes it possible for the management to secure the show grounds/keep the entry fees from skyrocketing - that’s a win for everybody. Sometimes I have asked that the sponsorship be made in the form of winning the money.

Mind you, these were not big shows and I wasn’t doing it for the advertising. I was doing it to make it possible for other people to have a chance to show at all.

I need to attend a virtual meeting - but was the question ever asked/answered about what sorts of shows were the subject of this particular thread? Are we talking about big shows, like Dover? Or smaller venues? Thanks

Okay, so I keep seeing people say they want lessons on schoolmasters.

These same people would probably like that lesson to be the same cost as a lesson on their own horse, right?

Or they think maybe an extra $15 or $25 covers the use of that horse for their 30 minute rental.

Let’s say you owned a schoolmaster. The type of horse who is able to do all the hard work, and tolerate doing it with someone who doesn’t yet have the skillset to ride the movement correctly and easily. You are asking for a horse who not only has the training, but can use it with a rider who is effectively shouting at them, possibly in another foreign language.

It took years to develop that horse, who has to eat, be trained, probably have vet work since they are likely older with some miles. There’s two options for ownership: a well heeled client, or the trainer.

If you owned one of these gems, would you let whomever come ride it once a week? No, you probably wouldn’t, because it costs you more to go keep him tuned up and fit and healthy than you could ever recoup. So you’re now doing it from the goodness of your heart, with something very valuable and hard to replace.

Maybe I’m projecting my own experience, because I own one of these horses, but the number of comments I get wishing that people could just ride him once or borrow him for a show as if the reins I’m holding are the key to their dressage success if I’d only not be so nasty as to not share, well, I can really understand why people don’t allow it. There is nothing in it for the owner.

schoolmasters are readily available, for those who are willing to assume the costs of having one. The idea that they should be available at low cost because someone wants to ride dressage but is broke, well, I’m not so sure I’m behind that idea. Someone is paying for it, but in the same breath people say that training is too expensive. What exactly is the solution here?
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