Ugh that is not what I wanted to hear Chocomare, that means Kit must be infested if that is the case:no: Crick just has a few hives on her belly, but nothing like Kit who has huge hives. She still has them, they don’t seem to have changed in size yet. I should have marked them some how.
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The welts are the microfilia emerging from the body. They’re all shouting RUN AWAAAAYYYY! 
Just for reference purposes, back in this long thread are two posts by “little D” that explain the reaction(s).
http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=3481818&postcount=285
http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=3481617&postcount=277[/QUOTE]
OK Choco and littleD-please go see my thread on Hugo-the his tendon swelling, or ligament swelling or windpuffs (I don’t have a clue).
There are several-2 on the RR lateral, one on the RR medial, and one on the LR medial and lateral.
Either he just had a HUGE trainwreck and ripped his fetlocks to shreds (no heat or lameness) or critters have taken lodging in there are are joining forces to blast out.
Do you have ANY information on horses swelling in tendons or ligaments after dewormings?
I know the adults can take up housing in there…but that is all I know.
The vet is coming Monday (I think) and I would love some info on this before I start yacking about 4 doses of Equimax in the last 14 days.
I found this:
Treatment
Three drugs are available to treat Onchocerca spp. Since the parasite’s life span may be five years, therapy must be
continued for adequate control. Ivermectin at its regular dosage results in spontaneous resolution within days.
Microfilariae disappear and allow clinical improvement of the dermatitis. Initially, however, routine doses can cause
adverse reactions, primarily edema to the lower abdomen or pruritis from the killed filariae. There may also be limb
and eyelid edema and a fever. These side effects can be reduced with steroid administration. A relapse in the disease
is possible two to nine months after treatment because of reinfestation with migrating microfilariae. Little therapeutic
activity has been reported against the adult Onchocerca spp. found in the ligamentum nuchae.
Diethylcarbamazine (DEC) is a safe drug for onchocerciasis in horses. Give a daily dose of 1 mg/kg for 21 days.
Again, dying microfilariae produce a pruritis that requires corticosteroid treatment. If eye lesions are present, use
steroids during the first few days of DEC to help reduce any irritation. This medication has been used for the entire
summer in heavy infested areas. It is not 100 percent effective, and relapses do occur. Levamisole may be placed as a top-dressing on grain when combined with more palatable syrups or peanut butter. At
10 mg/kg for seven days, the anthelmintic can produce some side effects, so a steroid supplement is advisable.
To best control the parasite, give a regular ivermectin treatment two to four times annually. Since biting midges and
face flies can complicate and delay recovery, keep stables insect-free in the late afternoon during warmer weather.
Screens, insecticides and residual sprays are recommended. Surgical removal of infected skin nodules is an
alternative.
http://www.trbmorgans.com/images/Parasites.pdf
Any information on those 2 drugs listed?
I really just want to cry now 
http://www.calypsofarmeventers.com/tuckers_blog
I have added pictures of Tucker’s habronema and other skin issues here.
Will keep track and add new pictures as needed.
Wow, Tucker is adorable. I sure hope the next DD helps him!
Interesting info LMH. Thanks for digging that up.
Penny, my Clyde-X, got her 2nd DDE on Friday. No new welts today, so I’m hoping we’ve killed off the critters. Her belly was totally healed, though. No more scabbies! 
hey Choco! Just wanted to update you on Luna.
We’re one week post second DD and her face is actually regrowing hair and she’s less itchy, tail looks LUCH better. No more butt rubbing, no hives. The “mud fungus” that she gets on her hind white feet is better, but not completely gone.
She seems happier and several people have commented that she seems “calmer” lately. No other changes, but who knows where she is in her cycle?
The vet was out Monday and I had him check the tiny “moles” that she has all over her neck. He said they are indeed moles. Hmmmm. Anyone else heard of that? Last year it was another vet out to do dentistry who looked at them and said he wasn’t concerned about them being anything “serious” but wasn’t really sure what they were.
Anyway…for what it’s worth! 
Well the giant welts disappeared yesterday. Now she has something funky going on on her rump. I went outside yesterday to see a large shiny slick spot on both sides of her butt and thought, oh it must be the oil from the fly spray, maybe it did something funky with the rain. So I went to groom her because she is shedding out her summer coat. Uhm, the hair is stiff feeling, almost like someone put gel on it. Upon further investigation her butt was a bit swollen and the hair looks very thin there. So I washed her with betadine and the spots are a bit sore. They have the same stiff feeling and are still there this morning but haven’t gotten any bigger.
I dont think I have the heart to double dose her with anything again…
ETA - Cashela - if it makes you feel any better one of my horses did something similar. The Free Horse. This horse has had all sorts of skin problems; a real hothouse flower. Terrible summer itch. He did a completely turnaround after I got him - greatly improved health. But still - skin troubles.
I did was Chocomare suggested - and wow. He got horribly itchy, some welts, and what I thought was rain rot - which was odd because it had been so dry out. Anyway - he’s MUCH better now.
I wonder if it’s all just inflammation and irritation from these suckers leaving the body. Maybe even allowing bacteria in if there are a lot of breaks in the skin. Anyway - for the itchies or to soothe skin I go to the dollar store and buy huge bottles of head and shoulders. Works great.
LoriT
Oh my God that poor horse! That thing is huge!
Hope he’s 100% soon.
Cashela… I wouldn’t stop now!
DITTO! Cashela…while it might be painful to watch, it means the critters are dying! Dying critters is a good thing :yes: Keep killing 'em babe!
Here is a pic of my poor girl on Saturday. The one’s of the welts on her other side didn’t come out and those were the huge ones.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/cashela/welts1656.jpg
Oh and yes I know we have a saddle fit issue going on, the white hairs just started showing up despite us not having obvious issues. A friend rides Kit and we are now looking for a new saddle. Oh and she is starting to get her winter coat in, that is why she is kind of dull looking. Usually she is really shiny.
Just for comparison, this is her normally in the summer , she usually just has really bad itchiness and a weepy eye. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/cashela/kit22091-1.jpg
Questions on future dosings…
I’m treating 3 geldings, but only 2 have the obvious itches. The B&W MFT (Bentley, 6 yo) has his long welts again on his chest. This is so strange because I remember in early spring when I felt the long welts I thought he had scars there (he was kept in the most wretched fencing for the first 5 years of his life and he’s a notorious fence crasher) and when the “scars” came back on Sunday morning after his Saturday treatment - it was like a huge Cow Bell going BONG BONG BONG… not scars - those are the creepy crawlies coming to the surface. So, I’m off to order MORE Equimax for him.
He was originally treated on August 23rd with 1 E’max and 1 ivermectin. Then 2 E’max on Sept 6. I’m thinking a dose of E’max on Sept 13th.
OR - should he get a double dose again on the 13th of Sept (1 week from now)?
the yellow gaited horse (Amber Bock, 10 yo rescue) has a few little bumps on his body. He had the same treatment as the B&W horse - 1 E’max, 1 Ivermectin; followed 2 weeks later with 2, E’max.
He has been rubbing his tail the week before the second dose. His belly crusties continue to be less and less, but he’s still got some serious lumps in his umbilical area.
Same question about him. 1 dose of E’max on the 13th? or double dose in 1 week? or double dose in 2 weeks?
The older gelding (21 yo QH-Bubba. No sign of lumps bumps or crusties) I gave him 1 does of E’max. It reduced his cribbing by about 60% the day of the treatment. He’s back to cribbing today. I expect to simply return him to his normal 6-8 week deworming.
(During the summer months, the horses are trimmed every 6 weeks. In the winter every 8 weeks. I do the deworming the same day as the farrier. MUCH easier to keep track of.)
Well we are one week past Milo’s second does and things are going downhill. He is tearing the farm down he is scratching it so badly.
He is bleeding in places and just awful.
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I finally made it here!
Found out about this thread form another forum and have been following it. Just couldn’t seem to get registered correctly at first.
I DD my gelding 1 1/2 weeks ago with Ivermectin and saw an improvement on his neck. Fewer small bumps there and he was definitely calmer.
I’ve ordered Equimax and going to use it this weekend.
Since we’ve never used EqM before, would it be ok to do one dose and then another dose the next day? It has twice as much Pyranquizel as the Zimecterin Gold that we normally use so I’m hesitant.
I will also be DD for my two miniature horses. They don’t seem to have a worm problem, but it is time to do the biannual tapeworm thing so I thought I’d DD them, too.
I’m thankful for this thread and for Leah who sent me here.
Oh No… Can you give him any benadryl for that?
My guys have been rubbing their jaws, but no place else. Of course, I have woven wire fencing and big thick fence posts… I was expecting to see them all over that… but no. They are rubbing on the pipe gates.
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Well we are one week past Milo’s second does and things are going downhill. He is tearing the farm down he is scratching it so badly.
He is bleeding in places and just awful.
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Was he improved for a time? or not?
Equimax is just fine to DD with. In fact, it is often safer than Zimectrin Gold since ZG has shown time and time again to cause mouth/lip ulcers.
Same question about him. 1 dose of E’max on the 13th? or double dose in 1 week? or double dose in 2 weeks?
My guy was showing signs of distress 10 days after his first DD with Eqm. So I hit him again at 10 days. Since this has been on going forever…planning a DD of Ivermectrin at 14 days.
This thread save his life!
