C6/C7 are the last two vertebrae in the cervical spine (the part of the spine in the neck) and C6/C7 is in front of the point of the shoulder and up just a couple inches.
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… I hosed my gelding with the swollen fetlocks and it looks like the swelling is coming from the tendon behind the cannon bone and is settling in the fetlock. He is also very sore in his lower back. My filly is not wanting to bend her neck…[/QUOTE]
I started reading this thread several days ago and I definitly have a candidate for treatment. But I want to ask, the research links I’ve gone to so far all state no damage is done to the nucheal ligament in the neck or the legs by the adult worms. Has anybody ever associated the damage of DSLD with threadworms? DSLD permanently affects the connective tissues from ligaments to lungs to eyes, and is mostly associated with swollen, dropped fetlocks (though not all DSLD horses have fallen fetlocks). They still do not know what is causing DSLD. Could DSLD-like symptoms actually be caused by threadworms??
I just used panacur and did a panacur power pak on a broodmare, but I am going to go ahead and get my itchy tail rubbing appy on this treatment asap! The rest I probably will do in 3 weeks.
Well it is official.
Milo is itching to death again.
Not two weeks after the second Equimax.
Just treated my herd
Ordered the doubledose of equimax and eagerly awaited delivery while reading everyone’s updates.
Here’s what I have and we’ll see what happens. I am nervous about the doubledosing; sure hope everything works out. I also had to wait until we were in between shows so if we did have any issues they could work out – next show is mid-October.
Fancy - 11 yr old Morgan Mare - last 3 years has had hairloss on face and neck, particularly in summer/fall. Didn’t start this year until Mid-August, but it continued fast. She also has weird dry/flaky/peeling skin under her tail. She’s the one I think this is going to help the most.
Tex - yearling morgan/pinto (black & white) pony colt of above mare - interestingly he had very slight hair loss this summer – noticed it earlier than the mare. He also has BIG belly.
Tator Tot - 5 year old ClydeX mare. Big tail rubber. Top of tail looks like a short peacock fan. She’s a big girl, so hard to tell if belly is just her or not.
Buster - yearling ClydeXPinto colt of above mare He looks pretty good – his physical issues are, I believe, related to the yearling fugglies. Was slow to shed out.
Frosty - 4 year old Canadian Warmblood mare. Tail rubber - actually I’m sad to say she had a squirrels next in her tail before we noticed it. Also a big belly – not sure if this might be load related or not.
Roscoe - yearling Canadian Warmblood/Oldenburg pinto colt out of above mare- beautiful with belly. I don’t think this horse could look ugly – he’s just plain gorgeous. Interesting story on he and the Canadian – they are actually from the COTH giveaways (she was accidentally bred as a 2 year old and they couldn’t foal her out). We love, love, love both of them.
Meg - 12 yr old bay TB mare eventer - prior to our ownership this winter was on a daily wormer. Not now. She’s actually tough to keep weight on so we’ll see. Cribs (my first … very odd habit).
Hannah - 16 yr old bay TB mare jumper - she actually has some weird stuff going on with her legs. Her prior owner (we acquired her last August) told us that she’d had “mud fever” about 5 years before and the horney growth we saw all over her rear pasterns was related to that. However, it occasionally peels off and bleeds and is just weird. Is sound on it (unlike the darn puncture wound she had on the outside of her hock earlier this year). She does have routine stocking up of the right leg, cannon bone/pastern - particularly if stalled but also just because.
Bonnie - 8 year old Belgian mare (draft, not warmblood). Good girl, no issues other than she’s my husband’s horse who he’s owned for 2 years and still hasn’t ridden. But at least he no longer gripes at me about the other horses since he now has one of his own.
Big Momma - 12 yr old black/bay Percheron/TB former PMU broodmare. Big honkin belly - itchy tail. We can’t keep her - she was out on lease and returned in very bad weight this March. We’ve now got her weight up.
Simply Sparkles - 2 yr old black/bay appy sporthorse out of the percheron/tb mare above. Has big belly and small raised areas that are kind of odd. Kind of like bug bites.
So … we’ll see how it goes. Do we automatically doubledose again in 2 weeks, or only if there was some kind of a reaction? I must say, this was an expensive weekend!
2x Ivermectin… he didn’t get this way in a month now, did he? 
I thought that would be next on this list.
Nope-it took 3 years to get like this…actually almost 4. So I guess 6 weeks to start reversing things is not bad.
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I did my second DDEMax on Saturday and I had noticed that his little sheath is slightly swollen on one side AND he seems to have more no-see-um type bumps near his belly button, in addition to the one that has been there all along on the midline.
Dunno if its a result of worming, or if in fact, he is getting bitten.
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Tucker update
Saturday Tucker got his 3rd DD…the last 2 being Equimax, the first one ivermectin.
Hmmm…some things happening today…not sure if a reaction to the DD or just more reaction to all the STUFF…but, his chest between his legs and the bumps right in front of his sheath look as if they are reacting to something…ANNNNNND, there seems to be something going on with the habronema!!! Am going to allow myself to be cautiously optomistic!
I cannot wait for him to get better…he is so miserable and is now becoming head shy, his poor ears hurt him so much. And try and touch his swollen sheath…the boy is picking up some bad habits. I hate to punish him, I feel bad riprimanding him, but he can’t start doing mean things.
I re did Cicera at 12 days because he seemed like he wanted to itch a little. Within a few hours he had rubbed his entire butt, under his tail totally raw. UGH!!
Will be doing my geldings first DD Equimax tomorrow. Last week he was given his single Ivermectin just in case.
Current symptoms
Belly welts/wounds/crusties from between his front legs to high up on the inside of his thigh.
Lumps on his neck & back that never go away and diagnosed as gnat allergy,
Very prone to breaking out in full body hives,
Needs tear ducts flushed every 6 months
horrible dandruff in the tail started after his deworming last week out of the clear blue:eek:
bald spots in between his ears
always scraping himself trying to scratch itches.
Third DD of EM done on the old guy, Gam. His 2nd DD of EM was at ten days after 1st because he was showing sign of distress. The 3rd dose was exactly at 14 days (today). Saturday he was restless and scratching bad…
The other beasties at the barn all got DD of EM at 14 days after 1st DD of Ivermectrin.
Charlie - no itchies - just mystery lameness.
Toby - no itches - big, bloaty belly ( no matter what )
Dakota - no itches - bad, gooey eyes. However, about 7 days after 1st DD of Ivermectrin, his chest did appear lumpy…?!
Marshall - no itches, or anything else for that matter.
Will report back if anything changes. Probably gonna keep hittin the old man as long as he is itching…probably gonna be with Ivermectrin next.
I apologize if this question was already addressed, but are all of you who are doing this double dose twice in two weeks protocol all doing it because of the symptoms your horse has, or is this something that is being recommended for all horses? My horses all have lovely coats and no skin problems. Does that mean they do not need a double equimax twice? I do have equimax as part of my rotaion but only in a single dose if that matters. Thanks.
Both of my guys got DD EM today.
Big guy- Super itchy all summer, rubs top of tail off and rubs out portion of his mane. Constantly banging up his face trying to scratch.
Little guy- Super itchy, several large round bumps that never go away, rubs tail.
Well, I am doing it because I have a symptom: a scabby area he has had on his midline for over a year. He doesn’t try to scratch it, but it is itchy. I got it off once with daily application of a “scratches” remedy, so I know it’s not a sarcoid. But it was painful when it came off and it came right back. If this doesn’t work, I will have the vet check on next visit and maybe do a scraping.
Laurie, I had one horse with symptoms and one with out, but I DD’d em both twice and then did a single dose of Ivermectin.
Update on Kit’s butt. After applying the Cowboy Magic Krudbuster to her entire body most of the dandruff is gone. Her butt is clearing up very nicely. Last night I hosed it off and basically itched it with my fingers and was pulling off what felt like little lumps but it turns out it was just large peices of flaky skin coming off. She’s not bald like I thought she would be.
The six year old still has the hard lumps, I don’t have any icthamol to put on them.
This thread has me intrigued. My 5 year old colt has had problems with these type of problems As a 2 year old he got rain rot on his back. Looked horible. As a 3-4 -5 year old he has had very itchy bottom line. Where he scatches it all summer. He bites it, he leans on the feeder. He has scared his bottom line. The Vet said it was a reaction to gnats and I’ve kept him sprayed with a bug spray and one summer the vet gave me some steriods to rub on it.
Well this year he again has the scratchy belly, and has rubbed out a big chunk of his mane and around his tail It sounds very much like the same problems many of you have had.
I’m nervous about double dosing. And doing it on advice from the internet makes me even more nervous. Nothing against you folks, but I don’t see a DVM acronym after any of your names. I lost one horse this summer, I’d feel really bad if I lost another because I tried something I read out in a thread on the internet. Just wanting to really understand and be comfortable that it is the right method to control this.
So has anybody really talked to their vet and gotten Vet’s recommendation that this is the right thing to do? What is the real drug that is doing the work? Is it the same drug that as a double dose is causing the dermatitis?
Is the dermatitis, itching and discomfort a side effect of the worms leaving or from the double dose? If the side effects come from the high doseage, are there other drugs that will kill the bugs and not produce the side effects?
I have 5 horses and only one has a problem. And its been a recurring problem all his life. I’d love to solve this. Just need some encouragement that thisis the proper way to deal with it.
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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread (a few pages back) that the research indicates less itchiness when treated with moxidectin/praziquantel (Quest Plus) than with ivermectin/praziquantel (Equimax). This was not a “double dose”, however (pretty sure it wasn’t), and the safety index for moxi is much lower than ivermectin.
FYI - Zimecterin Gold is also ivermectin/praziquantel, as you likely know. However, it is lower in BOTH praziquantel AND ivermectin than Equimax. (Something like 7% prazi, 1.55% ivermectin vs Equimax’s 14% prazi, 1.87% iveremctin)
I was leary about double dosing after reading a thread on the internet, but I’ve power pac’d them before so I figure if I was willing to do 5 days of double dosing, what could happen with two double doses in two weeks?
Percentages don’t mean a whole lot without looking at the total volume and how much that total volume treats.
Zimectrin Gold contains 91.14 micrograms per pound of ivermectin.
Equimax contains 90.95 micrograms per pound of ivermectin.
You can see that Zimectrin Gold actually contains slightly MORE ivermectin per pound.
Equimax does, however, contain more praziquantel, but not as much as you would expect from the label:
Z Gold: 455.7 micrograms per pound praziquantel
Equimax: 682.4 micrograms per pound praziquantel
Edited to add: please note that “per pound” means per pound of horse treated. Not per pound of product.
