Some of you wanted to know why my vet does not think DD of equimax or Iver is suggested. I briefly got a moment to ask her a little more about her opinion of NOT to DD. In short, she said NTW are not a problem kind of what the above poster said. She also said 1 dose is sufficient (assuming you are giving the proper amt based on weight) and that continuing to give it will cause a resistance in the future. Yes, the horse will not die of DD (though some prone to colic could) resistance is a major problem. The other classes of wormers are used to DD but, not this class. Just her opinion.
Ok DD Equimax Protocol Testers. I’m gonna need your help. I just finished the first clean up of the posts. My printer is running crazily right now spitting them all out.
EDITED CUZ I CHANGED MY MIND–To do individual PMs is gonna take me forever, so here’s the change.
FOR EVERYONE WHO’S DONE THE DOUBLE DOSE EQUIMAX/IVERMECTIN TEST…whether or not you’ve posted before, I need final updates in the below format BUT Don’t Post them only here!!! PLEASE…E-mail your responses to me at [B]chocomare@bellsouth.net[/B] 
AGE OF HORSE
BREED OF HORSE
SEX OF HORSE
–List all Pre-administration symptoms that lead to suspicion of NTW infestation, with length of time if you can. Try your best to keep it the report clean and “clinical.”
DATE OF 1st DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
DATE OF 2nd DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
If you’ve done post 2nd DD deworming (like weekly Ivermectin or 3rd DD), list dates, info.
Offer final conclusion and how you plan to change your deworming program going forward.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Will send mine this evening after work and barn. THanks for doing this!
[QUOTE=ChocoMare;3552620]
Ok DD Equimax Protocol Testers. I’m gonna need your help. I just finished the first clean up of the posts. My printer is running crazily right now spitting them all out.
EDITED CUZ I CHANGED MY MIND–To do individual PMs is gonna take me forever, so here’s the change.
FOR EVERYONE WHO’S DONE THE DOUBLE DOSE EQUIMAX/IVERMECTIN TEST…whether or not you’ve posted before, I need final updates in the below format BUT Don’t Post them only here!!! PLEASE…E-mail your responses to me at [B]chocomare@bellsouth.net[/B]
AGE OF HORSE
BREED OF HORSE
SEX OF HORSE
–List all Pre-administration symptoms that lead to suspicion of NTW infestation, with length of time if you can. Try your best to keep it the report clean and “clinical.”
DATE OF 1st DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
DATE OF 2nd DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
If you’ve done post 2nd DD deworming (like weekly Ivermectin or 3rd DD), list dates, info.
Offer final conclusion and how you plan to change your deworming program going forward.
Thanks for your cooperation. :)[/QUOTE]
All I can say is that if you google “neck threadworms” all of the references identify them as Onchocerca. I know that in this thread there was some talk of another pest, but they didn’t call them neck threadworms.
MapleShade.
here’s a link
http://www.extension.org/pages/Strongyloides_(Threadworm)_in_horses
INTESTINAL threadworms are strongyloides and these are the Threadworms that are troublesome in foals.
Neck THreadworms are
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/71804.htm
I made the same mistake not realizing there are 2 different kinds of threadworms.
I’m confused. Say I had a foal with slightly contracted tendons, would a DD help with that condition? There are no skin problems. Peg
Thanks for the followup
However, if your vet is saying that NTW, aka onchocerca cervalis, are not a problem, then while it may be the case that she has never seem them be an issue, or has always attributed the type of itching and eruptions described here to allergies, etc, it is not true that they are “not a problem”, as testamented by this very thread. Many of the horses being DD’d here, with positive results, had been on a regular deworming program for years, with ivermectin being in the picture. So, “1 dose” has NOT been sufficient. Could it be for some horses? I think very likely it is. But it appears to not be sufficient for some horses who either have a bit of a resistance going on, or who, somewhere in their previous life, ended up with a higher than normal load, and 1 dose doesn’t cut it.
Other classes of dewormers weren’t originally intended for dd’ing 
But someone discovered that a dd of pyrantel pamoate was effective against tapeworms, and now it’s a common protocol I’m sure fenbendazole wasn’t originally intended to be dd’d for 5 days in a row, but someone figured out that protocol was effective against encycsted stages.
Would it help? More like - could it help? Sure, it could, if that is the cause of the contraction. But there are other causes of that, so just doing a dd isn’t a guarantee.
Peg,
Please please please!!! PM little D. She is my farrier/trimmer who’s done her own “experiments” with combining DD Equimax and Trimming on contracted foals. She is the only one I know of who’s done this and seen success. If you want her phone number, lemme know and I’ll gladly pass it on. She can talk you through the process and tell you exactly what she’s done/witnessed.
ETA: Thanks gabz for showing me my OOPs! 
I fixed it!!! :yes:
And keep in mind that we’re going after Onchocerca Reticulatas… same family but a cousin.
gabz- yep I get it. I’m just saying where my communication with my vet failed. It was a semantic issue between us. We were talking apples and oranges and it took me awhile to figure it out. I thought perhaps others were having this problem too. I do realize that some of the differences in opinions out there are simply ignorance or a simple difference in opinion. It does seem clear that the published research may differ from what we are all reporting here. However, with my vet we were misfiring on our communication. So, basically all I’m saying is if your vet (and I mean whoever’s vet…not anyone in particular) looks at you like you are on crack it might be worth going into more detail. Maybe you are having a similar problem.
[QUOTE=ChocoMare;3552620]
Ok DD Equimax Protocol Testers. I’m gonna need your help. I just finished the first clean up of the posts. My printer is running crazily right now spitting them all out.
EDITED CUZ I CHANGED MY MIND–To do individual PMs is gonna take me forever, so here’s the change.
FOR EVERYONE WHO’S DONE THE DOUBLE DOSE EQUIMAX/IVERMECTIN TEST…whether or not you’ve posted before, I need final updates in the below format [/QUOTE]
Chocomare - Do you just want email responses from those who have finished the DD protocol? I am just starting it and won’t have results for at least a month. Should i send my experiences to you in a month or so ?
WITW: I’ll take whatever anyone wants to offer. The more people who join in on this, the WAY better since we’ll have more data to offer. Feel free to start by reporting your info here so others can “watch” what happens. Then when you feel you’re done and the horses are better, post a final update here AND e-mail it to me. Thanks!!!
ACtually, she posts as little D
If you search this thread > Advanced, you can search for her messages.
Heel Grab - How to treat
My horse came in with a bad heel grab. Pretty sore on it.
What is the best way to treat it - for the soreness and to stop infection.
Thanks
Could somone re post the dosing info for liquid Ivermectin? I’m having trouble finding it. Am I correct in remembering that you cannot feed the pour on Ivermectin that’s marketed for cattle? TIA
Hello. I am new to this forum, but have read this thread with interest as I have a Haflinger gelding with “sweet-itch”. I followed the suggested protocol of DDE two weeks apart and would like to report that my gelding is worse after the second dose. He has gray bumps on his neck and chest and a few on his face. After the second DDE he developed a welt that first appeared on his side, then seemed to move to his hindquarter. Interestingly, only one welt at a time. Also, he is very itchy at the front of his hock joints. So…DD with Ivermectin next? Anything I can do to help him get thru this??
Thanks
Robie
This is what I have used.
http://www.atozvetsupply.com/Eqvalan-Oral-Liquid-RX-p/71-eqvalan-or.htm
1 cc per 110 pounds.
Robie - You should be able to use a SINGLE, full dose of Ivermectin one week after the last DD. If he is still having lumps and bumps appear, do ANOTHER single Ivermectin dose one week later. You can double dose the Ivermectin at any time too, if you think it will help him faster.
You can give him some anti-histamine (Bendadryl) to ease his itching. Contact your vet for dosing.
So far as the welt that is moving. One of my horses had those too. Except I didn’t realize what it was. I thought they were scars!!! UGH… they are/were about 4 inches long. His were on his chest. Another horse of mine had some small greyish spots on him after the second DD. They disappeared in the following weeks. Then, he had a small oval area appear on the inside of one front leg… within a few days, that “scab” fell away.
Be sure you are giving the correct amount of Ivermectin. I, along with some others, realized we were underdosing.
Caution…
When I was looking for this product, I came across this September 2008 warning: http://www.fda.gov/cvm/CVMupdate_Eqvalan.htm
September 9, 2008
FDA Alerts Veterinarians to New Directions for Eqvalan® (ivermectin) Liquid for Horses
The FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) is alerting veterinarians of revised directions for Eqvalan® (ivermectin) Liquid for Horses. CVM has received a small number of reports of precipitate forming in opened or leaky bottles. As a result of these reports, the directions for use will now instruct that the contents of the bottles be used within four (4) hours of opening and any unused product, or unused diluted product be discarded. Merial Limited, the manufacturer of Eqvalan, is also adding the following instructions regarding the proper disposal:
[INDENT]Disposal: DO NOT FLUSH or pour unused medication in toilet, sink, or drain. Mix unused medication with cat litter, sawdust (or other material that absorbs the medication), then place in a sealed container (e.g., plastic bag) BEFORE tossing in trash for disposal in a landfill or by incineration.
[/INDENT]Veterinarians should examine the product for precipitate before use. If a precipitate is found, veterinarians should contact Merial Veterinary Technical Solutions at 1-888-637-4251, option 3.
Products generic to Eqvalan should also be examined for precipitate before use. If a precipitate is found in a generic product, the manufacturer of that product should be contacted.
For additional information, please see: http://us.merial.com/pdf/FinalLetterEQVALANLetter-Final.pdf
Precipitation is the formation of a solid in a solution during a chemical reaction. When the reaction occurs, the solid formed is called the precipitate, and the liquid remaining above the solid is called the supernate.
(Gee, I always thought “precipitate” was when it rained or snowed. Who knew?)
