JB and Simkie are right… just trust them on this (experience speaking, here!)
UPDATE
I gave my mare her 2nd double dose a week ago today. She is continuing to improve! I posted pics after the first dd of her hair growing back in where she was itching little bald spots. I forgot to take a picture of her face. She was itching her forehead pretty good too. Today I noticed she has not one SINGLE scratch on her forhead!! She hasn’t been itching it at all!!!
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JB and Simkie are right… just trust them on this (experience speaking, here!)[/QUOTE]
wow, you are right! I was just going by the percentages.
Now I feel alot better about doing a full double dose.
I may use the Equimax again this weekend.
I’ve been following this thread very closely. We have a 2 yr old TB colt in training at the track who was due for a worming. He has a scurfy spot on his side that we have treated with just about everything without success. So I decided to try a DD of Ivermectin. There was no reaction whatsoever and the scurf has not improved. I will not be DD’ing him again, as he has been on a previously strict schedule.
My riding horse is a TB/Belgian 5 yr old mare who, after reading this thread, I realized has been getting under-dosed for at least 18 months. She’s never had any signs of being wormy - great coat, carries good weight year-round, not itchy. Since it was time anyhow, I hit her with one tube of E’max and one tube of Ivermectin about a week ago. I noticed today that she has oozing bumps on her right side that she did not have before. I will give her two tubes of ivermectin again next week (not quite a DD - as I estimate her weight at 1500#). From here on out, she’ll just get 2 tubes of dewormer each time (unless it’s Quest).
And that, my dear, is your initiation into % vs amount fed vs the combination :winkgrin:
Just keep in mind that several horses on this thread had been on a previously strict schedule, didn’t see much/anything after the first dd, and did see resolution or improvement after a 2nd dd. I’m not saying to, or not to do the 2nd dd, just fyi 
I keep wondering if smearing the ivermectin directly on a scurfy spot does anything? Do you think it would burn? If it’s safe enough for internal, why not external?
But I agree with JB. Do a DD dose of Ivermectin again and you might be surprized. The stuff I was reading yesterday (I didn’t all the links I came across) said that after the dose of Ivermectin/Equimax - there could be die-off for 2 - 8 weeks.
Good info gabz, I think I wasn’t realizing that die-off could be on-going for that long, but it makes perfect sense since ivermectin remains viable in the body for 8 week.
I think I may do another DD on this horse and hold off a couple of weeks on the power pack. The spot is still there, still uncomfortable - it is not at all like any other spot he’s ever had in his entire life.
Did this ever get resolved? I couldn’t find that anyone answered you on this. EqTrainer?
I took the plunge myself on my “itchy” horse who has had other issues this summer. I did the double ivermectin, two weeks later double Equimax (crossing my fingers). After the Equimax we got scabs along bottom of neck and midlline of stomach. Then another double of Ivermectin. But the elbows aren’t clearing up at all and are still a scabby/ calloused/ dandruffy patch. Simkie or anyone else want to chime in before I call the vet out? This is NOT from laying down, of that I’m sure.
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Just keep in mind that several horses on this thread had been on a previously strict schedule, didn’t see much/anything after the first dd, and did see resolution or improvement after a 2nd dd. I’m not saying to, or not to do the 2nd dd, just fyi :)[/QUOTE]
I know - but he had a 5 day Panacur in February, and a full tube of E’max in May (he weighed ~1100 lbs) and now the DD ivermectin. As a racehorse in training he is not exposed to manure of other horses - so he’s pretty low risk.
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Did this ever get resolved? I couldn’t find that anyone answered you on this. EqTrainer?
I took the plunge myself on my “itchy” horse who has had other issues this summer. I did the double ivermectin, two weeks later double Equimax (crossing my fingers). After the Equimax we got scabs along bottom of neck and midlline of stomach. Then another double of Ivermectin. But the elbows aren’t clearing up at all and are still a scabby/ calloused/ dandruffy patch. Simkie or anyone else want to chime in before I call the vet out? This is NOT from laying down, of that I’m sure.[/QUOTE]
Nope… It’s not resolved yet. I just bought 2 tubes of ivermectin to DD him with. I was going to wait until we got him home so I could watch for any reactions, but lately he’s had a REALLY goopy eye and I want these little buggers out! So one day this week when I can hang out at the barn for while I’m going to DD him and watch for a reaction.
I am afraid at what my BO will say, she’s not the most supportive… unless it’s “tried and true” in her mind. And she might tell me I have to get the vet out to look at the bumps if he does have eruptions… and I just don’t have money to fork over right now. That is one thing that makes me hesitant to do this… but I don’t know how long it will be before he’s home… hopefully 2 months? can this wait that long?
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I keep wondering if smearing the ivermectin directly on a scurfy spot does anything? Do you think it would burn? If it’s safe enough for internal, why not external?
But I agree with JB. Do a DD dose of Ivermectin again and you might be surprized. The stuff I was reading yesterday (I didn’t all the links I came across) said that after the dose of Ivermectin/Equimax - there could be die-off for 2 - 8 weeks.[/QUOTE]
Actually, i have smeared ivermectin paste on sweet itch belly spots in the past with good results.
The day I DD the Ivermectin for the 1st 3 (had it on hand and in a hurry, ya know), i smeared some extra on a belly of a different horse. Her spot got better until the Equimax came in the mail and she got her double dose of that. then it broke out again bigger and angrier.
TO ALL THE NEW FOLKS WHO’VE TRIED THE PROTOCOL… a reminder:
FOR EVERYONE WHO’S DONE THE DOUBLE DOSE EQUIMAX/IVERMECTIN TEST…whether or not you’ve posted before, I need final updates in the below format BUT Don’t Post them only here!!! PLEASE…E-mail your responses to me at [B]chocomare@bellsouth.net[/B]
AGE OF HORSE
BREED OF HORSE
SEX OF HORSE
–List all Pre-administration symptoms that lead to suspicion of NTW infestation, with length of time if you can. Try your best to keep it the report clean and “clinical.”
DATE OF 1st DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
DATE OF 2nd DD Administration – present post symptoms, clearing, new symptoms, etc.
If you’ve done post 2nd DD deworming (like weekly Ivermectin or 3rd DD), list dates, info.
Offer final conclusion and how you plan to change your deworming program going forward.
Has anyone had coughing post dd? I dd emax on a filly that is a bit contracted. She has an itchy belly mid line and a very mild cough. Just wondered if anyone else has seen this?
I went ahead and did a third round of 1.5 Equimax on my horse since he still has one sore on his belly. One thing I noticed - lots of healing going on around the eyes!! All the itchy places are healing up there. Also alot of dandruff coming off him lately. And he seems so happy!!!
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Has anyone had coughing post dd? I dd emax on a filly that is a bit contracted. She has an itchy belly mid line and a very mild cough. Just wondered if anyone else has seen this?[/QUOTE]
Well now that’s interesting. I hadn’t thought of it before. I just did a 1.5 dose on a filly (mini) who has had a cough for years. She didn’t have any itch problems but was due for the tapeworm treatment and I increased the dose a bit this time. Haven’t heard her cough lately.
Thanks for that info…
So here’s MY take on the worsening before it gets better. The nasty things have found a place to exit - as we know, belly skin is “thinner” than many other places, so if that’s the easiest place to exit and also where the midges bite the most and leave the nasties, then when we DD, that’s where the nasties are going to exit and leave the worst tissue damage.
I’m thinking that saving any small dabs of dewormer to apply a week or two later to the scurfy places might be helpful? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Hey JB… YOU try it. LOL…
LOL, I never have any leftover I could save 
Although, a generic ivermectin at about $3 could be bought for just that purpose.
Anybody else’s horse slightly off their feed after the 2nd DD?
Yeah - that’s true. Pretty inexpensive skin treatment. I would NOT use it around the eyes though.
If I had any crusty places left I would be tempted to try Ivermectin on one spot and Icthamol on anther.
