vets dont agree
Dont expect your vets to agree. if is is not information distributed at the equine convention then they generally wont believe it. And most are not going to do the research themselves. It takes to much time and money. I know because I personally spent thousands on keeping horses to do clinical trials on. It became Quite expensive, at one point I had 52 horses.
I wanted to stay awhile
I am using someones computer tonight and cant stay any longer wanted to read the posts coming in. Ill try to come back tomorrow.
Agree - NO Quest for Foals with Contracted tendons. But good for mature horses.
Little D. -
I agree with NOT using Quest for foals. Thank you for that reminder and explanation of how it affects young horses.
Bumblebee and I were talking about NTWs that are causing itching and dermatitis. We were speaking of AFTER 2 DOUBLE DOSES of Equimax when single doses of Ivermectin are being used weekly as a follow-up.
My suggestion is to use DD, 2 weeks; DD, 2 weeks; Ivermectin, 1 week; then Quest. Quest will get any encysted strongyles and knock out any remaining NTWs. Plus - the QUEST has a longer period of time of keeping non-onchocerca parasites from developing and/or shedding eggs (ERP).
THere are links in this thread to valid studies that say IVERMECTIN or MOXIDECTIN to kill NTWs and Moxidectin does NOT have the resulting itchiness. Used as single dose treatments. Not to replace DD Equimax.
The only dewormer that my horses think tastes good is the Bimectin. VERY apple-flavored and usually inexpensive (about the same as Horse Health or generics)
For me, with the DD or large volume dewormer pastes, it’s easier to simply mix the paste in a few cups of pelleted feed and then squirt some molasses over it. They suck it down like crazy. They have to eat it all gone before being released to eat hay.
I know a lady that cuts the core out of apples, not quite all the way through, and fills it with the dewormer paste. It works for her. My horses don’t take the entire apple even when it’s NOT doctored, so I would probably end up with paste AND apple slobber all over me!!
Newbie
Hello all -
Im a newbie here and thanks to this thread that got me over here. A friend of mine forwarded the thread to me. After reading all the post, I DD my Kiger mustang mare with Equimax, 14 days later did another DD, which was this past thursday. She didnt have alot of problems, I did notice that her eye watered alot, just the left, she does rub her tail/butt alot but no hair loss. About 1 1/2 month ago a not popped up on the left side of her spine, right down from her withers, I thought it was a bug bite, but it stayed there for a while later. I did notice it has gone completely away now and her eye is no longer watering. Not sure if this was due to the thread worms or not, but I figured it couldnt hurt her to dose her. She is still rubbing her tail I noticed Saturday when I was there, so not sure if that’s just habit or something else. Its only when she’s in the stall after she gets thru eating.
But I just wanted to thank everyone here for spreading the word…fabulous!!!
Well the data is now in the hands of LMH. I scrubbed it as much as I could, copying/pasting from posts here in the thread, as well as the clinical reports people privately e-mailed to me. She was shocked at the shear volume!
Please be patient with her. It’s going to take a while for her/us to correlate it all into a cohesive report suitable for public distribution on her website.
One thing I can tell you though, that out of the 60 people who reported in (some with more than one horse) NOT ONE reported a negative outcome. All were positive and saw improvement.
Even though the data has been transferred to LMH, please don’t let that keep you from reporting in.
ANOTHER CONTRACTED/CLUB FOOTED FOAL CASE FROM LITTLE D
http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=refreshPhotos&albumID=567981441&security=wxJNjr
They’re not the greatest quality but they’ll do. First two are before DDEP and last one is after, along with gentle trimming.
Yes, I have the info…but please be patient. I am fighting some issues here with time…between Polo and another personal matter I barely have time to stop and breathe.
It seems really difficult to separate the effects of the DDEP and the trimming, though.
[QUOTE=ChocoMare;3574429]
ATTENTION THOSE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN HOW THE DOUBLE DOSE EQUIMAX PROTOCOL CAN HELP FOALS WITH CLUBBED FEET/CONTRACTION.
Little D (my farrier/trimmer) sent me pics of her most recent case. She is without a computer right now since her laptop croaked. :dead:
This colt was born 6 months ago severely contracted/clubbed. The vet suggested surgery but the owner was reluctant. Little D suggested the DDEP, along with casting if needed. The owner felt she had nothing to lose and agreed to try.
http://community.webshots.com/album/567902913CLrtMR
Photos 1 and 2 are from the beginning. Nothing had been done yet. SEVERELY CLUBBED/CONTRACTED
Photo 3 is Two Days After First Double Dose Equimax. His hooves were casted to keep him from wearing off hoof wall.
Photo 4 is Day 17 (so only 3 Days after Second Dose DDE). For the first time that colt was able to run and buck next to his dam.
Unfortunately Little D was not able to keep up with the picture proof as this guy progressed. However, she told me this morning that this colt, at 6 months of age, is now able to walk normally. She is hoping to get updated pictures soon. Nothing else was done for this guy except the DDEP and regular visits by Little D to recast and check him. No surgery. No extensions. No splints.
PLEASE NOTE: This is not a single case that Little D has worked on and seen healing. It is simply the latest foal since she began her personal research YEARS ago.[/QUOTE]
Amazing!
My good news is that Tucker’s habronema is shrinking! My vet called me to ask why haven’t I called him out and I told him that so far there was no need to. Unfortunately though he has a sore on his left hind that won’t heal, don’t know if it is also a habronema, it doesn’t have quite the same appearance. I am keeping Tucker on a worming schedule of every week. Last was a single dose of Equimax. He still basically looks like crap, at least his face does and now he is rubbing his mane and tail again, so will DD this weekend and have got to get to the tack store and get a tube of Ulcerguard, I think that will clear his face up again as it did last time.
I see what you’re saying but the trimming (when they can be trimmed, unlike Colt No. 1) is done on the off weeks and is done is tiny increments to bring the heels down as the decontraction takes place.
I think my pony may have NTW - I’ve attached a picture to see - perhaps those of you that know what this looks like could tell me if this seems to be the same.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/ringersuz/100_3157.jpg
I first noticed this over the summer - pony’s mane was long and he rubbed out a good 3 inch section of mane - right down to the skin. So I roached his mane. The section he rubbed was very flakey, but I thought it was just some skin crud or perhaps sweet itch. But it’s also on the side of his neck (where he rubbed the mane). No matter what I did, it didn’t clear up.
A month or so ago I noticed a round spot of crud on the other side of his neck. And just a yesterday I noticed his pasture mate has a small round spot like the pony has.
Hopefully the picture is clear enough. I would appreciate any input.
CGH: The possibility is quite good that NTWs have invaded your pony. Following the protocol won’t hurt and just might help/cure. Go for it and please be sure to report back.
Just a reminder: Double Dose Equimax (by weight) today. Wait 14 days and Double Dose Equimax again.
I’ll start the protocol for NTW, both on the pony and the other horse since the spot on the horse looks identical to what’s on the pony.
Do I understand correctly that this is transmitted through insects - ie: biting insect becomes infected then bites another horse and the horse can become infected? (perhaps that’s too simplistic?)
I’m thinking that perhaps all the boys should be treated with the DD for precautions sake.
Yes, they microfilia are transmitted into the horse’s body by midges/gnats/no-see-ums.
I realize this thread is long, but do take the time to read through the first several pages where plenty of past studies, pictures and other clinical stuff was linked to.
Thanks Chocomare
I did read through the first couple of pages, which is how I came to think the pony had the ntw. I didn’t open any of the attached studies though. However I did visit the thread w/ pictures on horsecity.
I’ll go back and read more thoroughly.
I’ll start the DD of equimax and I’ll report back on the effectiveness.
Glad I visited this thread…
trimming and DDE
Just wanted to explain as there seems to be some confusion about the trimming and double dosing. You have to trim the heel down or you still have the heel up just as you would trim any horse. The horses that I have worked on had already been trimmed by other farriers, some had surgery, some had extentions. with no improvement. I was called in because i specialize in these problems. I added the dewormer to the treatment. and got results. the cases that choco mare posted trimming was what was tried on these and was not successful.
I used the power-pack in late August, and early October my horse develops uveitis.
Could a worm die-off take 6+ weeks? Horse has never had eye issues before.
update
Both horses had multiple sites, bumps etc., after my 2nd dd of eq, so today, two weeks from the 2nd dd, I did a single dose if ivermectin. Hope there will be no more bumps, scars, dandruff eruptions and we will be done! No adverse effects from either one of them. New hair growth and weight gain are positive effects for both. Neither showed any real itchiness or major hair loss, so I did this more as an experiment to see if it would help with intermittent lameness is the right front leg of my appy, and to see if worms were affecting weight gain in my TWH.
I think both have definitely benefited, although the jury is still out on the lameness issue.
Okay, jumped on the bandwagon here. One older mare with past parasite overload challenges (worms, lice, patchy hair loss, etc.), one itchy tail-less appy, 3 others. I couldn’t swing the Equimax, so we started today with DD of Bimectrin on all 5. The older mare had a power pak last worming. Everyone else had single dose of panacur. Their winter coats are coming in nicely for the most part, but the appy is still quite itchy, so it’ll be interesting to see if DD makes a difference.
Is there a results reference page yet, or still compiling?
Thanks
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