That is good news on the scratches.
About 2 weeks ago, I noticed 3 scab areas on Hugo’s white pasterns. They have not improved or gone south…I will also report if they go away!
WWCMAJSD?
That’s: What Would ChocoMare And JSwan Do?
Reese is due for Pyrantel in 2 weeks or so. That means (as his rainrot has gotten a little worse, and I am officially skeeved out about NTWs) that if I double Equimax him now, and in 2 weeks, he doesn’t get his Pyrantel with the rest of the barn…Does he get it 2 weeks later? But then he’s off schedule? The only thing the Equimax doesn’t cover that the Pyrantel does is roundworms… What would you guys do?
Oh. My. God. You have to be kidding me! Why on earth aren’t vets talking about this?!?!? Why aren’t we hearing more about these worms?!?!
I have a mare that has “sweet itch” and is “controlled” by a flax/fat supplement added to her feed. I use quotes around controlled, because she still itches like heck at times on her neck, only there aren’t open, oozing sores. She still wants to rub the heck out of her tail, even though all her mare parts are as clean as can be. She’s always had several hard lumps on her underside, the vets have always supposed they are benign cysts as they are hard, and never change size.
I seriously have the itchy-crawlies myself.
But, not only that…my mare always has the “spring allergy runny eyes,” which according to all the articles I could find, can surely be a sign of these worms. Also, she tends to stumble out on trails…I always growl at her to watch her feet and pick them up! Could this be?
Yea…off to the feed store at once…
:eek:
Hey! OP, JillTx and others who double dose two weeks ago… how are the horsies?
JSwan would pour a finger or two of Scotch. Single Malt.
Then she would say - screw the schedule. The horse needs to get the NTW’s GONE. Adios. Bye Bye. Don’t let the door hit them in the but when they leave. You’ve got time on the Pyrantel; there’s wiggle room on the timing of that wormer.
I’m itchy just thinking about it. Yuck. Icky. 
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Oh. My. God. You have to be kidding me! Why on earth aren’t vets talking about this?!?!? Why aren’t we hearing more about these worms?!?!
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THIS is my question…many of the sites and articles are a couple of YEARS old-so why did I spend a FORTUNE on allergy tests last year? And creams and such?
This does not seem to be NEWv except to the people that need the information the most!
LMH - Most of the studies I’ve read have been from the 70’s and early 80’s. That’s why I was so ashamed of myself for not knowing. Not everyone in the 70’s was dancing in disco’s. Some of us were being beaten about the face and neck for allowing the horses in our care to suffer from “allergies”; or fistulous withers.
But… this was before Al Gore invented the Internet. So maybe it’s nothing more than we have the ability to retrieve information that in the past, we kept on dusty shelves visited only by musty academics.
(not intended to be an insult towards the musty academics, you understand!) Maybe some vets or physicians could offer some perspective on that - but my sense of it is… the information was there… but was not as easily disseminated as it is today?
I swear, every time I look something up on the Internet, I’m astounded by two things. The superb resources and information that is out there, and how increasingly difficult it is to wade through the doo doo to get to it.
I’ve gone back and read the above again. Now it makes me wonder: How many horses with spine issues might just be infected with NTWs?
Chocomare-you and I are on the SAME page…I keep looking at different small issues in my horses over the years and wondering!
Ok, I’ve been researching some more, fighting off the need to assume that every little itch I have is because of some damned NTWs!! I found this - in addition to ivermectin being used as treatment (in people, this info is about)
Doxycycline can be added to the treatment regimen to kill the endosymbiotic bacteria, Wolbachia. This adjunct therapy has been shown to significantly lower microfilarial loads in the host and may have activity against the adult worms.
That is from this page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onchocerciasis
Thoughts?
Ok, and how SKEEEVY is this? The onchocerca emerging from the freakin’ antena of the black fly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_fly.jpg
Ich, BLECH!!!
I popped up to Dover over lunch and bought my Equimax. First dose after our lesson tonight!
OMG. OMG! Blush isn’t looking neurological, but the spine is definitely an area of concern. Creepy!!!
Okay, I did the double dose thing with ivermectin because it’s what I had on hand. Now I’m thinking I should redo with Equimax.
I did the ivermectin earlier in the summer and dosed Qwest 2-3 weeks ago. Am I okay to double dose Equimax now, or should I wait?
Does anyone have a range map of these things in the US? It seems like the reading I’ve been doing indicates that they like the warmer, moister climates but I’m not entirely clear on where their boundary is. I can find world maps, but nothing scaled to show specific areas in the US.
Thanks!
Could someone e-mail me the “worming schedule” that people keep mentioning? I use my vets protocol and have substituted Quest with ivermectin and follow up with a double dose of strongid just b/c I always noticed tail scratching about a month out from the Quest dosage, plus I had a mare react REALLY bad to it.
This summer all of our horses had bumps/sores very itchy on their chest and belly. I worm religiously per my vets schedule. I moved the one away from the farm she was on and they healed almost instantaneously. I assumed it was b/c we have less flies, they were literally baking in the sun 24/7 and stomping non-stop. My other two are due for Zimectrin Gold and I did notice the one scratching on his bum some. Does the Gold do the same thing as Equimax? Our schedule says to worm with either and I already ordered the Gold. I’m tempted to double on the itchy butt guy.
DO I assume since it cleared up on the other that whatever it was is gone? Or does she need a double as well?
This is mine but you might want to ask EqTrainer for hers. It’s a little different.
JANUARY = EQUIMAX (Ivermectin/Praziquantel)
MARCH = QUEST (Moxidectin)
MAY = IVERMECTIN (after first bloom)
JULY = QUEST PLUS or COMBOCARE (Moxidectin/Praziquantel)
SEPTEMBER = IVERMECTIN
NOVEMBER = QUEST (after first frost) or SAFE GUARD POWER PACK (Fenbendazole)
If I see itchies in between, I do the Double Dose Equimax regimen.
FOr those needing Equimax…
I just ordered a batch… KV Vet had it originally at $10.95 in their catalogs, but when I placed my order this morning for 6 tubes, the price was ONLY $9.95 I don’t know if that was because of the number of tubes or it’s a special.
AND… you can use COUPON CODE 54 to get an additional $5 off your total order. They have free shipping for $50 and over.
Country Supply was at $9.74 per tube.
ValleyVet was over $10. I didn’t check anyplace else.
Take Photos???
I have a B&W MFT that seems to attract ALL the bugs in my pasture.
Despite drenching his chest with fly spray (Tri Tech and Wipe and Repel X at various times), he always has the bumps. I will take photos and hopefully the bumps will show. Then do the double-dose E’max.
He is also the only horse out of 3, all in the same place, that has bot eggs on him (for at least 3 weeks). I have searched the yellow horse EXTENSIVELY looking for them, but none are there. The B&W has them in his mane and back behind his shoulders, as well as front. He also seems to attract the B52 horse flies more than the other 2 horses too.
They all get Bug Check. Maybe Mr. B&W needs more than the others? I wonder if it’s his coloring. Oh well…off to shoot the horse (with camera). :lol:
OH YUCK… Now WHO’s going to clean MY Keyboard … and it ain’t coke or coffee all over it.
blech blech blech and more blech…
Simkie - did you read the link about how they cut up a horse’s spine and found Oncho in the tissue? http://jvdi.org/cgi/reprint/18/3/307.pdf
One excerpt:
t is concluded that nematode-induced inflammatory
changes and subsequent thickening of the soft tissues,
primarily in the dorsal wall of the vertebral canal, caused
compression of the spinal cord and wallerian degeneration
consistent with cervical vertebral stenosis.4,5,12,14 To the
authors’ knowledge this is the first reported case where
Onchocerca sp. has been identified as a cause of spinal cord
compression and axonopathy. In a previous study of cases
of equine cervical static stenosis, a parasitic etiology was
suspected in one horse with eosinophilic granulomas in
a vertebral joint capsule, similar to the lesions in the present
case, but no parasites were found.12
OMG, this thread is quite exciting. I’m so happy to have found it. After work I’m going immediately to Fleet Farm for Equimax.
