Isn’t this your dog breed of choice?
"A dog breeder in Lineville, Alabama, sent 96 Cavaliers to a puppy mill dispersal auction held last Saturday in Wheaton, Missouri. "
I never even knew they had dog auctions like this.
Pretty sure its her breed. Cav people definitely will be on top of this to ensure they are properly cared for and going to good homes. 100 and some dogs. Unreal.
Wow what a great job they did.
Yes indeed!
That is really impressive!
I’m sure she knows; it’s big news in all dogs right now, not just Cavaliers. Sad stuff. 
It’s not a normal thing; it was way of rescuing a bazillion little dogs in really bad situations without them being bought up by other bad people (if I am right…?)
I haven’t followed too closely; I think the rescue groups had to bid for the dogs because in theory the owner could have sold them instead? Sonesta will certainly know the details of how the auction worked.
I know nothing about the status of the 96 Cav’s, but I can tell you that dog auctions are/were common where I lived in Oklahoma. Basically BYB’s and puppy mills selling to other BYB’s and puppy mills and hoarders.
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Wow what a great job they did.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no…they fundraised and paid over 250k for those dogs. The money went to the breeder, who by all accts neglected many of them so some had backs/back legs so twisted they could hardly walk, and some were blind with untreated eye problems. The money went to the breeder, so she can continue to get and breed more dogs and keep them in the same condition…
It would have been better to get them seized by animal control, THEN auction them, with animal control or the rescues keeping the money, and then banning the breeder from owning more animals.
They paid over $2,000 per dog? WTH?? If other people were willing to spend so much money for them, did they need to go to the rescue? I’m confused.
We are having this same problem this week in Papillons. 44 dogs from 16 weeks old to 11 years old.
This woman who has consigned her dogs to auction, was at one time buying, breeding, and showing nice dogs…then evidently, spun out of control and now is doing the unspeakable.
It seems she also never never got herself current on all the USDA regulations now in place for breeders, so it appears she is opting to sell them this way to pay her fines and make some extra scratch for herself. This will be very lucrative for her. And the auction house. They are, I’m sure, very excited about how much they will make on this sale.
Based on what was needed for the cavaliers to be purchased, they are setting a goal of $100,000. May need more. The millers were bumping the average price to about $2,500/dog…but more will be needed for spaying, neutering, etc). No one really knows what condition the dogs are in.
In the Pap auction, each litter of puppies will be sold as one lot…could be two or six. If you are the winning bidder at $5,000, you will multiply that 5k by the number of puppies in the litter. So a litter with four puppies would then cost you $20k. The adult dogs will be grouped into lots of four individuals (2 males, 2 females,2 young 2 old). Your winning bid x 4.
Since rescues do not pay for their dogs, two people will be going to do the bidding on sight - plus a support team to assist (the CKC parent club is graciously being very helpful, thank goodness). All dogs purchased will be turned over to Paphaven and PapAdopters for spaying/neutering/vet care/then placement.
It’s SUCH a sad, scary mess. This was at one time a respected individual.
A brief description of the scenario on the GoFundMe site: http://www.gofundme.com/hazelbakerpaps
We have a long way to go, financially, and not a lot of time (Dec.7).
If you go to the GoFundMe page, read the two comments by Ron Sturgeon from earlier today. He makes some important points.
Poor dogs…they don’t deserve this. I hope the Paps can all make it out of there…and nearly all the adult dogs have their championships.
They got them out of a crappy situation and a crappy future. However they did it was a good thing.
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Yes and no…they fundraised and paid over 250k for those dogs. The money went to the breeder, who by all accts neglected many of them so some had backs/back legs so twisted they could hardly walk, and some were blind with untreated eye problems. The money went to the breeder, so she can continue to get and breed more dogs and keep them in the same condition…
It would have been better to get them seized by animal control, THEN auction them, with animal control or the rescues keeping the money, and then banning the breeder from owning more animals.[/QUOTE]
I think everyone agrees with you but I thought that the legal situation was such that “if she could sell them she could keep the $”…of some weird thing. So rather than allow them to be sold to other BYBs or bad homes, the rescues out bid and bought them up. It’s really very sad. One of my FB friends is a Cav breeder and I know she kept trying to stop people from arguing whether it was “right” and just try to help the dogs.
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I think everyone agrees with you but I thought that the legal situation was such that “if she could sell them she could keep the $”…of some weird thing. So rather than allow them to be sold to other BYBs or bad homes, the rescues out bid and bought them up. It’s really very sad. One of my FB friends is a Cav breeder and I know she kept trying to stop people from arguing whether it was “right” and just try to help the dogs.[/QUOTE]
I agree the dogs needed to be out of there, but I am afraid that people won’t put pressure on the authorities, and document the dog’s condition to try to get animal neglect/cruelty charges against the breeder, and get her banned from owning more animals.
I wasn’t there, so it’s easy for me to Monday Morning Quarterback, but it would have been nice if animal control could have seized the dogs, then turned them over to rescues, so the breeder wouldn’t have profited as a she did. It’s going to encourage her to do it again, and encourage other puppy mill farms to do it.
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I agree the dogs needed to be out of there, but I am afraid that people won’t put pressure on the authorities, and document the dog’s condition to try to get animal neglect/cruelty charges against the breeder, and get her banned from owning more animals.
I wasn’t there, so it’s easy for me to Monday Morning Quarterback, but it would have been nice if animal control could have seized the dogs, then turned them over to rescues, so the breeder wouldn’t have profited as a she did. It’s going to encourage her to do it again, and encourage other puppy mill farms to do it.[/QUOTE]
I hear you. Something like this happened in my breed about 2 years ago and if I recall, the rescue groups stepped in to deliberately keep AC out of it because they wouldn’t be able to control where the dogs went after that.
In our case, they didn’t have to auction them, they got the guy to surrender them or something. But the downside is that I don’t think he was charged with anything. It’s a tough call either way.
It sounds like the deal was no prosecution if the breeder was shutting down. It is really difficult to get a search and seizure warrant for ALL the animals in a situation like that. And even if you succeed, the animals generally need to be held until the courts rule, which can take a long time if the former owner wont cooperate. And then the dogs belong to the State which is usually limited in resources to correctly place all those dogs.
SO I don’t like that the puppy miller got money. I do like that he is apparently shut down and that the dogs are quickly in knowledgeable hands to get the care and placement they need.
There are frequent dog auctions in PA, too, where there is a strong Amish presence. There are also fowl auctions. I don’t know how one learns about them (I’ve tried, I’m curious 
); the participants don’t want AR folks crashing their event.
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Yes and no…they fundraised and paid over 250k for those dogs. The money went to the breeder, who by all accts neglected many of them so some had backs/back legs so twisted they could hardly walk, and some were blind with untreated eye problems. The money went to the breeder, so she can continue to get and breed more dogs and keep them in the same condition…
It would have been better to get them seized by animal control, THEN auction them, with animal control or the rescues keeping the money, and then banning the breeder from owning more animals.[/QUOTE]
I agree it is a disservice to pay a profit to the breeder. I hope animal control presses cruelty charges now that the evidence ie dogs is being documented.
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I know nothing about the status of the 96 Cav’s, but I can tell you that dog auctions are/were common where I lived in Oklahoma. Basically BYB’s and puppy mills selling to other BYB’s and puppy mills and hoarders.[/QUOTE]
When we moved from NC to Ok 9.5 years ago I was SHOCKED to find out that there were “dog dealers”, dog auctions and rampant puppy mill businesses. The local “Penny Saver” newspaper has pages devoted to puppy mill sales. I find it disgusting!! A dog’s life in Ok is very questionable. We got a gorgeous, purebred, Great Pyrenees puppy, 9 years ago because the “owner” was out in his pasture shooting all the puppies and ours escaped!!
I live in OK, & I don’t know anything about these dog auctions you claim of. My Penny Saver down here does not have the ads you speak of. I made sure to check the Penny Saver today.
I have heard of poultry auction, somewhere around Purcell I think it is. Never been to it.
Just curious. If you feel it is wrong to auction dogs do you feel that horse auctions are wrong too?
If not, why the difference?
I would assume that dog auctions are like horse auctions in that there is the equivelant of everything from New Holland to Keeneland.
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Just curious. If you feel it is wrong to auction dogs do you feel that horse auctions are wrong too?
If not, why the difference?
I would assume that dog auctions are like horse auctions in that there is the equivelant of everything from New Holland to Keeneland.[/QUOTE]
The big difference is that you can breed 20 puppies a year from the same dam…but only one horse. It’s easy to breed puppies in poor settings and provide very little quality care to either the parents or the offspring. Auctions reward bad breeders by making it easy to unload their offspring without any effort up to make sure the puppy ends up in the right environment, in a home that can afford to keep it and treat it well.
Obviously that’s the same for horse breeders, but usually auctions for young horses are high end. Usually there is a lot of investment on the part of the breeder that they are unlikely to just dump it. Auctions like New Holland are not run by the breeders of the horses that are there.
