Spin-off - performance careers of the most popular N.A. based warmblood stallions

[DownYonder]

Someone commented on the thread about dilute stallions that many of our most popular warmblood stallions never had performance careers (or if they did, never made it past the lower levels). I thought it might be fun to take a crack at that topic.

So who would be on the top ten list for the most popular WB stallions in North America (based on number of breedings within the past, what - 10 years)?

I’m guessing that the following stallions might be candidates for the list:

Contucci
Riverman
Feiner Stern
Sempatico
Rosenthal
Fabuleux
Pablo
Escudo II
Popeye K
Alla C’zar
Rio Grande

Who am I forgetting?

[showjumpers66]

Frohwind and Art Deco were also quite popular in their time. There is also All the Gold and Zarr. I am not sure that I would include Escudo II on the list as I think he was just recently imported.

[Springlake1]

Fuerst Gotthard (now retired I think…) Landkoenig, Diamont, Prinz Gaylord, Chakka Khan, Cabaret, Lemgo…
Im sure there are lots more

[showjumpers66]

Lemgo was a great one, for sure!

[Mythology]

Don’t forget
South Pacific
Judgement
Consul
Balta’Czar
The Wild Turkey Stallions
Mezcalero
I’m sure there are more I’m not thinking of…

[Oakstable]

Routinier is popular and showing at I1.

Leonidas and Hilda competed at Grand Prix.

Another Grand Prix stallion is Isjeelmer (sp) and Chesley Sibley.

[clint]

Freestyle, Rubino Bellissimo…

[graystonefarm]

I would include Budweiser. He was quite popular when he was here and received quite a large number of breedings.

[MagicRoseFarm]

I think it is very interesting that some of these shine as sires NOT for their own performance careers. Whichever you choose for sheer sake of numbers, some of these stallion’s GAINED popularity because they had proven performance careers and others for other more and less significant reasons( depending on who rates the significance). Many competed in different disciplines than the main discipline which makes them popular as a sire.

FeinerStern I think was popular because of his propensity as a broodmare sire and all around talented horses, even before he came to the USA himself, not because of his performance career.

Rosenthal’s performance career was very short and sweet and consists of the entire 6 classes he needed as a prerequisite to final approval , and done LONG after his popularity as an incredible DSHB sire was there.

[Mythology]

Budweiser- Oh I loved him as a kid… I forgot about him-
What about the Sandstone stallions from back in the day? I remember them winning the grand prix’s all the time…

[Dressage_Diva333]

What about Rousseau? He seems to be quite popular, and rightly so.

[Springlake1]

Still thinking…Werbellin, Wonderful, Don Fredrico, Cordini (competing with an amateur)

[clint]

@Springlake1;4162008

Still thinking…Werbellin, Wonderful, Don Fredrico, Cordini (competing with an amateur)

I think the stallions under consideration have to be based in North America. That rules out Don Frederico.

[not_again]

Can any one name the performance level attained by popular stallions?

[Carol_Ames]

opeye K and Alla C’zar were champions in the hunter ring; Rio grande was a grand prix jumper

[YankeeLawyer]

Galoubet
Idocus

[DownYonder]

So far, folks have suggested the following:

Contucci
Riverman
Feiner Stern
Sempatico
Rosenthal
Fabuleux
Pablo
Escudo II
Popeye K
Alla C’zar
Rio Grande
Frohwind
Art Deco
All the Gold
Zarr
Fuerst Gotthard
Landkoenig
Diamont
Prinz Gaylord
Chakka Khan
Cabaret
Lemgo
South Pacific
Judgement
Consul
Balta’Czar
The Wild Turkey Stallions (names, please?)
Mezcalero
Routinier
Leonidas
Isjeelmer
Freestyle
Rubino Bellissimo
Budweiser
Werbellin
Wonderful
Cordini
Galoubet
Idocus

I was trying to come up with a list of the 10 most used stallions over the past 10 years, and then I thought we would discuss the performance careers of those stallions. While many of the stallions mentioned have had upper level careers, I am not sure they would qualify for the “10 most used” list.

Of course, given that there is no single entity in North America that captures breeding data, it may be impossible to come up with such a list. We pretty much have to rely on data released by the stallion owners and/or figures available from various breed registries. Still, with the collective experience and knowledge of people on this forum - many of whom have been “in the game” for a very, very long time - it may be possible to prune the list down to the top 10 “most likely suspects”. Should we give it a whirl? Is 10 years too long a timeframe? Shortening it to the last 5 years would probably eliminate some of the stallions on the list.

[YankeeLawyer]

DY - I think we should add Don Principe and Royal Prince. Both get a number of mares and are out there competing. I am not sure about top 10 “most used”, but presumably they each get a lot more than the average 5-6 mares for a licensed stallion.

[not_again]

Why wouldn’t you mention Waldaire? He has large foal crops and has garnered 43 national year end awards from training level through Grand Prix. His lifetime average is over 65% and his Intermediare 1 average (not including freestyles) is over 68%.

[sid]

Yes, hard to define “most used”. Boleem was a performance stallion as well. Dressage GP, HOY awards, USET long-listed, etc.