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[QUOTE=Indy-lou;4170214]
It’s a potentially interesting discussion, Down Yonder, but prone to everybody’s desire to see their stallion(s) of interest mentioned, despite your multiple attempts at reeling in the criteria you’ve set. Plus the added burden of not having a real database to refer to. It’s like herding cats…[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Indy-lou;4170214]
It’s a potentially interesting discussion, Down Yonder, but prone to everybody’s desire to see their stallion(s) of interest mentioned, despite your multiple attempts at reeling in the criteria you’ve set. Plus the added burden of not having a real database to refer to. It’s like herding cats…[/QUOTE]
LOL. Your so right.
[QUOTE=Springlake1;4168966]
:winkgrin::winkgrin:
I know these guys were performers…I even knew them when they were actively competing and bred several mares to them each…Early in this thread I was just listing my own favorites that I had used on my own mares. Just a list, no comments on performance. Later I added info about a few that I saw compete. I got my info from observing both Fuerst Gotthard (whom I visited at Edgars just last fall, he is one of my alltime favorites and is indeed retired) and Prinz Gaylord I saw competing in the 80’s or so,… So…thats where I got my information…personal experience! :yes:
Did you mix up my list with the list on post 25?[/QUOTE]
Sorry then, I thought you were responding to the OP who wondered about stallions standing who had no show careers. I competed against Robert on The Titleist [Fuerst Gotthard] and I remember Dick Carvin and Richard Sands showing PG in the GP classes of his day. I have bred mares to both and much prefer PG offspring. FG offspring can be difficult. I think it is the mix of Furioso with the Gotthard. I have heard the same about Voltaire offspring. But who knows. The PG’s are really sensitive and not for all riders, either. Personally, I really liked PG over FG.
[QUOTE=graystonefarm;4169678]
I agree. I’d be more curious to know which stallions have been most successful in producing offspring successful in sport. Perhaps this info is available through USEF or USDF?[/QUOTE]
You’re kidding, right? USEF or USDF keeping pedigree/produce info? Not on this planet.:lol:
[QUOTE=stoicfish;4169614]
Well I would hate to be known as a party pooper…just thought we might be missing some very important horses in this discussion by narrowing it down. But to add to the conversation, about the list :winkgrin: I think someone could also look at the performance of the offspring, which might be interesting/telling, if the stallion as no record (injuries).[/QUOTE]
This thread is not about “important horses”. It is first and foremost about “the most used stallions standing in N.A. and THEIR performance records”.
You are certainly welcome to start another thread about “important horses”. 
And thanks for the info about Frohwind. I will add it to my list.
[QUOTE=3Dogs;4169626]
Down Yonder - where are your statistics coming from? Not sure how to read your stats.[/QUOTE]
I stated earlier where the stats come from. They were pulled from the 2008 ISR breeders guide. The list represents stallions with a total of 50 or more foals registered with ISR through 2007. The stallion’s name is followed by the years he produced foals for the registry. The last figure is the total number of foals recorded with that registry. In the following example, Sempatico apparently produced his first foals for the registry in 2005 and had a total of 85 foals recorded with the registry through 2007.
Sempatico M, 2005-2007 - 85
[QUOTE=graystonefarm;4169678]
I agree. I’d be more curious to know which stallions have been most successful in producing offspring successful in sport. Perhaps this info is available through USEF or USDF?[/QUOTE]
No, USEF and USDF databases are too spotty to be reliable. Besides, I would really want to keep THIS discussion focused on the stallions mentioned on my list. Those are hard numbers, and I think it might be interesting to discuss the performance careers of THOSE stallions, and then discuss why they were so popular with breeders, ESPECIALLY if they didn’t have an upper level performance career (performance success of offspring might very well be part of the answer).
[QUOTE=Edgar;4170186]
Not to spoil the party but just to show you how inaccurate that list is as a total number of breedings Fuerst Gotthard had bred 25 mares before I got him and his first year with me 40 mares and an average of 75 mares a year after that topping a hundred once and coming close to it other years, total 10 years so that is at least 750 offspring registered with10 different registries…
I have currently at least 4 stallions who have bred and will likely continue every year 50-100 mares 3 who have topped 100 in past years and several that have come close to 100 a season and only Landkoenig is on that ISR list. It is mostly Oldenburg and ISR and Hanoverian but we also ship a lot to Canada and have mareowners use many other registries.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes, I think we all realize that your stallions have far more offspring than are reflected on the list. But again - those are hard stats provided by the registry, so that is what we are using at the moment.
[QUOTE=Indy-lou;4170214]
It’s a potentially interesting discussion, Down Yonder, but prone to everybody’s desire to see their stallion(s) of interest mentioned, despite your multiple attempts at reeling in the criteria you’ve set. Plus the added burden of not having a real database to refer to. It’s like herding cats…[/QUOTE]
LOL! Or lassoing snakes. :lol:
[QUOTE=grayfox;4170222]
I think that the figures are foals registered with Oldenburg. The numbers are published by the ISR, so the stallion could have had more babies just registered with other registeries. I agree with Down Yonder that’s it’s a way to see some published numbers, the other registries don’t do anything like that. I think that without the published number it’s all guessing what stallions get for breedings. I think it’s an interesting topic.[/QUOTE]
No, these figures do not include foals registered with Oldenburg (GOV) since 1996. They only include foals registered with ISR/ONA beginning in 1988 (I think that was the earliest year on the list). And yes, I know ONA was the Oldenburg representative for a while, but not since 1996, and I do not want to get into that discussion on this thread. Many of the stallions on that list have had a number of foals registered with Oldenburg (GOV) since 1996, but we are using the ISR list for this discussion.
Ironman has covered 278 mares since I have had him. The first couple of years I had him, he was bred very lightly because of his show career and because he was on the road alot. He did not start breeding that much until 04. As he is getting older, I try to limit his book to 50-55. As hard as I try to keep track of foals, it seems to be an impossible job. I encourage the mare owners to send news, pictures ect but frequently I don’t even hear if their mare has indeed foaled, so every year my list is incomplete. Ironman is approved multiple registries and I do send complete lists of mares covered, but of course each registry only uses the foals registered with them. And not every foal is presented, so even if one were to add together all of a stallion stats with each registry, it still would not be accurate. So even I don’t know exactly how many are out there. As to a stallion being approved with several registries, that is solely for more acess to more and different mare bases. There are alot of stallions in this country and tremendous competition for mares. A registry official once told me the average WB stallion breeds 1.3-1.7 mares. Wether that is accurate, I don’t know, but I suspect it is close.
Nancy
the ISR/OldNA is the only registry that I know of that actually publishes a list every year of the number of foals and grouping by scores–assuming folks get papers on them in either their foal or yearling year. The AmHan also keeps an internal list and you can get it, but they don’t publish it–I don’t know what they are worried about–but obviously something must bother their board about producing this list. None of the other registries publish lists, and I am not even sure about their actual record keeping.
We do not have a system like Germany. Our FN is the USEF and they are crap when it comes to most anything regarding tracking horses born, and subsequently showing. The USDF does keep show records, but then horses sell and folks in the U.S. like to change names, show them in lower classes, etc. Our system here just leads to web strings like this one that are full of lots of urban legends.
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;4169432]
Good lord, do we need a central database. :no:
(I know, it’s been said a hundred times…)[/QUOTE]
Let’s just start one here. 
[QUOTE=SilverBalls;4166117]
North American Warmblood Stallions… I was familiar with around the hunter ring… and were most recognized…
Alla Czar
Rio Grande
All The Gold
All The Best
Voltaire
Sir Thomson
Olisco
Art Deco
Hall Of Fame
Abdullah
Absolut[/QUOTE]
Let’s add Just The Best and More Than Luck. Both popular, with first time breeders and return clients, and both stallions are proven performance horses, as are their offspring.
It’s one thing to breed to a stallion once, but to return to him again says alot about what he produces.
Don’t forget Bordeaux.
He retired from breeding several years ago, but he was very well used and I would bet between '90-2000 he was in the top 10 of most used stallions here in America.
And Ideal – he got HUGE amounts of breedings “in the day.”
The KWPN NA publishes a report on offspring of approved and licensed stallions.
For example, Rousseau bred 44 mares in 2007, Consul bred 60 … and so on.
The list gives total number of KWPN-NA offspring from 1985 through 1/14/2009.
The list gives 1 and 2 premiums by the number per stallion.
Also any keur, elite and preferent offspring.
They also publish statistics on frozen semen breedings.
[QUOTE=Oakstable;4172956]
The KWPN NA publishes a report on offspring of approved and licensed stallions.
For example, Rousseau bred 44 mares in 2007, Consul bred 60 … and so on.
The list gives total number of KWPN-NA offspring from 1985 through 1/14/2009.
The list gives 1 and 2 premiums by the number per stallion.
Also any keur, elite and preferent offspring.
They also publish statistics on frozen semen breedings.[/QUOTE]
where can you get that info? is it accessible on their website?
Those numbers seem low to me. The sire of Judgment only bred 60 mares in 07? :eek:
I don’t doubt the stat but the fact that there are so many unregistred offspring out there is a bit mind blowing when someone stats to think about keeping a data base.
I am at the moment riding a Consul baby (well, teenager) and I know for a fact he is not registered. His dam was a TB not approved by any of the registries. It’s a shame horses like him will never find their way into the stats.
The KWPN NA stallion directory prints the statistics I quoted.
I don’t know if they are on the web site.
