Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
The above is a question posed by Shadow14 in the long thread about TikiSoo’s mare and the ‘knee in the horse’s elbow’ AKA ‘boot in the belly’ theme that emerged.
Shall we discuss? Who’s up first?
That has happened to me. My young mare went through a phase where she would do that and test everyone if she got a chance.
The first time she did it to me in the blink of an eye I turned into a demon of hell and beat the holy shit out of her for about 4 seconds and then acted like nothing happened.
She never did it again (to me).
She did it ONCE to my farrier (I had told him about her little stunt and told him to deal with it how he saw fit).
Again, in the blink of an eye (and for a 6’4" man he was FAST) he hauled off and kicked her in the side really hard.
She eyed him like “well alrighty then” and never did it again to him either.
When they are being handled they better not pick up a foot unless they are asked.
In this particular case I’d say go for the knee. This horse isn’t scared just being ugly.
Now some of us couldn’t do this, too short or whatever. I’d have to use whatever I had in my hand and probably would add a bunch of screeching to the correction. I DON’T like kickers.
Katarine I was going to post this question but thought I better keep a low profile:lol:
It happened to me twice in the last 2 years , both with newly purchased youngsters. ONe just turned 4 and the other 3 1/2
Both were new to being groomed, both were new to cross ties. Both up and out of the blue cow kicked me in the hip for no reason.
I quickly stepped into the horse right behind the front leg and raised my knee hard and fast into the rib cage yelling NO at the same time.
Both never kicked again, both never flipped over or broke the cross ties.
While I am just commenting on 2 of my guys I have used this method on alot of horses over the years.
I have also been shoing part time for 22 years, get all sorts of horses that I need to handle for shoing and never yet had one go down, break a cross tie or anything else. I do not take crap from any horse I handle and over the years it is easily in the 1000’s total that I have had to handle. Some that not even the owner can lift a foot.
Take the case of William? Would you like to be the guy lifting that hind foot and shoe him?? I have had many Williams over the years.
And get over the kicking in the stomach, a knee raise sharply in the rib cage sounds alot better, looks more professional and that is how it is done.
[QUOTE=pj;3699431]
In this particular case I’d say go for the knee. .[/QUOTE]
PJ are you suggesting my idea of kneeing the horse is OK??? Are you nuts??? Everyone knows you don’t beat a horse.
Guys if it ever happens to you remember me and try it. It works.
It works for pawing and moving around in the cross ties.
It the horse paws knee it, don’t need to use much force but practice what you are going to do and then when the time comes, like pawing while in cross ties move up close to the horse , right behind the front leg and raise the knee sharply into the rib cage at the same time as ?? I say STAND UP.
It works wonders. You don’t need to use all your force, just a sharp wrap with the KNEE.
I don’t use work boots, I wear duck boots, soft soles and toes and trying to raise my foot that high and kicking out would probably set me on my butt but even short people can step in and raise the knee.
[QUOTE=Jaegermonster;3699402]
I turned into a demon of hell and beat the holy shit out of her for about 4 seconds and then acted like nothing happened.
She never did it again (to me).
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Your nothing but a brutte, a mean mean person , a bully and you did a good job:lol::lol:
[QUOTE=Shadow14;3699463]
PJ are you suggesting my idea of kneeing the horse is OK??? Are you nuts??? Everyone knows you don’t beat a horse.
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<laughing> For a kicker…whatever it takes. Better than ending up somewhere on a dinner plate.
For the sake of the original question, what’s your answer if it’s not Jaegermonster’s mare/situation.
Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
My point is…we back fill our replies to posted questions with our own histories, maybe without doing enough research first. We don’t have videos. We have three sentences. In my original question, I didn’t offer if it was a previously untouched, field raised 4 YO horse you are handling loose in a small pen, or a seasoned 15 YO hunter in crossties where he’s been a zillion times, or a 2 YO stud colt who stood grand in his last three halter shows.
Do those sorts of variables…color your replies? Or not?
[QUOTE=katarine;3699595]
For the sake of the original question, what’s your answer if it’s not Jaegermonster’s mare/situation.
Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
I didn’t offer if it was a previously untouched, field raised 4 YO horse you are handling loose in a small pen, or a seasoned 15 YO hunter in crossties where he’s been a zillion times, or a 2 YO stud colt who stood grand in his last three halter shows.
Do those sorts of variables…color your replies? Or not?[/QUOTE]
But…Katarine!! I personally am not going to be grooming a previously untouched field raised horse in a small pen loose. That would be begging for it. Can tell you what I did to a three year old kicker, loose in a pasture if you want?
As to the halter horse I wouldn’t care if he’d been grand in a hundred shows. Kicking stops one way or another.
Kicking stops one way or another.
Just interested in the one ways or the other 
and notice you inserted that you were grooming him. The OP said nothing about grooming lol
Again – it depends. (hint about horses: it ALWAYS depends…).
Perhaps that cowkick was not just coming out of nowhere. Perhaps you just missed the signals. Or perhaps the horse got tweaked. I don’t know – I wasn’t there.
I have occasionally gotten kicked “out of nowhere”, but that has always been because I surprised the horse and the kick was a reflex action.
More often I was kicked because of a dominance issue; most of the time I saw it coming but decided to “draw a line in the sand,” and the horse crossed it <g>.
In this case I definitely adhere to John Lyon’s 3 second rule. But I’m a weak old lady – I know I’m not hurting them, but I sure am scaring them!
But depending (there’s that word again) on the circumstances and the temperament of the horse you have to be very careful about how far you push it. This is how horses freak out, fall over, kick back, blah, blah, blah. This is how people AND horses get hurt.
Every day my horses teach me more about timing and communication. We just need to keep up!
[QUOTE=katarine;3699700]
Kicking stops one way or another.
Just interested in the one ways or the other
and notice you inserted that you were grooming him. The OP said nothing about grooming lol[/QUOTE]
Who said grooming then?? Shadow??
ah, you’re right- it is in the OP :uhoh:
I didn’t mean to change the rules of the game :lol:
This isn’t very elegantly pulled together, is it?
So…let me try again…So, PJ, are there no variables or ‘it depends’ type situations about the original question…
Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
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Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
The above is a question posed by Shadow14 in the long thread about TikiSoo’s mare and the ‘knee in the horse’s elbow’ AKA ‘boot in the belly’ theme that emerged.
Shall we discuss? Who’s up first?
Honey, we CAN’T be the ONLY rednecks around here, I mean that’s just not possible, is it?!
Me, New Year’s Eve 2007, drinking wine out of a go-cup, shooting bottle rockets to entertain the dog.
Ok the first posts says you are just grooming so I thought we were talking about while grooming. Obviously you aren’t going to run a horse down in a pen and knee it.
Do you want to hear about my last kicker? Loose in pasture? What I did?
Sure! we were posting at the same time, I didn’t mean to be confusing! Sorry!
[QUOTE=katarine;3699728]
ah, you’re right- it is in the OP :uhoh:
I didn’t mean to change the rules of the game :lol:
This isn’t very elegantly pulled together, is it?
So…let me try again…So, PJ, are there no variables or ‘it depends’ type situations about the original question…
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[QUOTE=Kyzteke;3699705]
Again – it depends. (hint about horses: it ALWAYS depends…).
Perhaps that cowkick was not just coming out of nowhere. Perhaps you just missed the signals. Or perhaps the horse got tweaked. I don’t know – I wasn’t there.
I have occasionally gotten kicked “out of nowhere”, but that has always been because I surprised the horse and the kick was a reflex action.
More often I was kicked because of a dominance issue; most of the time I saw it coming but decided to “draw a line in the sand,” and the horse crossed it <g>.
In this case I definitely adhere to John Lyon’s 3 second rule. But I’m a weak old lady – I know I’m not hurting them, but I sure am scaring them!
But depending (there’s that word again) on the circumstances and the temperament of the horse you have to be very careful about how far you push it. This is how horses freak out, fall over, kick back, blah, blah, blah. This is how people AND horses get hurt.
Every day my horses teach me more about timing and communication. We just need to keep up![/QUOTE]
there is no depends in my world. If MY horse kicks me at any time again there is no depends. I don’t look for signs, he has no right to give me a sign. I am the boss, he listens. We again are referring my my horse, I own it or I wouldn’t be grooming it. It is in cross ties. I own him, his life is in my hands and he has absolutely no rights. He wants rights he can become dog food.
You are just beating around the bush. My horses are not timid, abused, yes field raised, unhandled but all that changed the day I bought them. From now on they are mine, I handle them, they listen to me and kicking me is NOT allowed.
Quit hiding behind DEPENDS and answer how you would handle your horse if it cowkicked you out of the blue. How do you make this horse stop kicking you or anyone else???
You all know how I handle it, lets here how you would handle it???
[QUOTE=katarine;3699375]
Lets take the case of a horse suddenly out of nowhere cow kicking you. You are just grooming the horse and it suddenly up and boots you. What would you do???
The above is a question posed by Shadow14 in the long thread about TikiSoo’s mare and the ‘knee in the horse’s elbow’ AKA ‘boot in the belly’ theme that emerged.
Shall we discuss? Who’s up first?[/QUOTE]
It depends on the object nearest to my hand. In my case it was a whip. The incident was never repeated. My reaction to a bite is the same, I have one second to react, and 4 seconds to sound and feel like a banshee. Hitting around the head is a no-no, kicking with point of toe is also a no-no. Fists are hard on wrists. :lol:
3 yr. old filly. VERY confident around people but VERY food agressive. New to the place and loose in a pasture by herself. Went in with bucket of feed which she decided to have immediately and not wait until it was put in the feeder. When I shooed her away she wheeled and double barreled at me. Missed not by far. I felt the wind. The only thing I saw to do at that moment was to wham her with the feed bucket and she took off. Went and got another bucket of feed and a lunge whip (only one I own) and came back in. She was scarfing feed up off the ground but again came after the bucket When she tried to get it I shooed her and again she turned to kick. I was ready and managed to get two good licks with the whip before she took off. I chased her waving the whip and screeching. Put the bucket down at my feet and each time she tried to come up I’d chase her again. FINALLY she was willing to stand respectfully and wait until the food was put in the feeder and she was invited to eat. I never had anymore trouble with her although I did carry the whip in with me (as discreetly as possible) for a while. This wasn’t a mean filly, just had total lack of respect for people and this was enough correction for her. I wouldn’t guarntee that the “cure” lasted once she left here though. I think she was the kind that would take advantage whenever she “smelled” weakness.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;3699771]
It depends on the object nearest to my hand. In my case it was a whip. . :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol: In this case DEPENDS is an acceptable word. Good for you.:yes:
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