So, I know I recently put a thread up in this forum about Prelude by Mozart and people SLAMMED (not just Prelude) but trakehners in general. Multiple people claimed they were neither trakehner fans and that they are still “NOT FAVORED” in the hunter ring!!!
Are you kidding me?! Does this Trakehner myth STILL really exsist?! I think us trakehner fans and breeders should educate these hunter people!!! :yes:
The former Mozart
BTW, does anyone have any experience ever seeing/handeling, etc. Mozart himself?!
I owned a Trakehner. I showed her in the hunters. We did well. Did I encounter the “myth”? Sure. Trakehners in this country are not associated with a calm, quiet demeanor and an amazing hunter jump–with good cause. Many of them do not have those qualities. Those that do are often “hidden” Trakehners–stallions who are registered as another type of warmblood.
Let’s be honest-most people think of Abdullah when they think of Traks. And he was hot, opinionated and difficult to handle if one believes the first-hand accounts of those who were around him. Many of the Trakehners in the jumping rings are of his descent.
Are there nice Trakehners winning in the hunter ring? Absolutely. They are a small percentage of warmbloods bred in the US and most are pointed at the dressage ring.
Your ill-concealed ad for Prelude (whom I had heard of) is what is causing this reaction. You came off badly from the get-go.
How many threads about this horse are you going to start?
Don’t see either Prelude or Mozart on the Leading Stallion lists.
Can you list any current top 10 Trak’s in Hunter performance divisions?
Asher is a Trak and he has a fairly successful hunter breeding career. Im not a huge fan of his as far as style goes, but his babies seem to be pretty level headed and do quite well on the rated circuits.
Also had a hard time finding Hunter results under the USEF results search…
He seems like a very nice stallion, and I’ve known people who had Trakehners and loved them, but can I just say if I was the stallion owner I would be mortified by these posts? Maybe it’s just me but negative publicity really seems to stick with me… I don’t ever forget it.
Ok, I will give a bit of benefit of the doubt here in that you are a newish poster who may not be all versed in the ways of a bb. BUT I agree with the poster above who asked how many posts about Prelude and/or Karen are you going to start?? I know that you are excited about buying the mare, and you have a free breeding to Prelude that came with the breeding BUT this is at least the 5th thread you have started about these facts and most tend to be the same questions over and over with a slight variation. I’m a pretty laid back type of poster and it is starting to grate with me even. 
Instead of constantly posting the same sort of questions, perhaps consolidate your threads into one thread, and if you are repeating yourself then perhaps that is the post that doesn’t need to be posted? Not trying to be snarky or anything but it is starting to come across as a blatant ad for Prelude…
Now for the TK question. There are many "hidden’ TKs that are out there, and there are several that are doing well in the hunter ring. Most are not registered as TKs though. 
I know that Karen has been having some success at least in her area with her Prelude kids - I’m not sure if they are local or rated shows or both perhaps. He strikes me as the type that would do well in the hunter ring esp when crossed on a TB mare - he is nice and quiet and steady and has a decent jump.
There are going to be those that don’t like the breed - and there isn’t a thing that you can do about it other than to get your own TK out there and prove them wrong. Just like there are those that refuse to look at a chestnut mare, or Apps, or whatever breed, sex, color a horse that their personal tastes don’t like…
Good luck with your mare and the new breeding, and welcome to the world of TKs. Happy to see that you are so excited about it all.
I’m not anti Trak. In fact there is a Trak showing in Junior Hunter near me who does very well but could you define what you mean by ‘do quite well on the rated circuits’.? Some examples please?
Can’t find anything on Asher either on USEF hunter stallion lists.
Asher may not be on the USEF lists as he stands in CAN and I think the majority of his offspring are in CAN and show up there.
I spent a summer living with Sue and Terry Williams and Abdullah. I groomed “the man” and handled him for breeding. He was always a gentleman. Dully had a HUGE presence but he was never hot and difficult. Sue was at that time (1998) still riding him every day alone in a snaffle bit around the farm, fields and trails. I would take a horse like him any day.
In fact I do have a daughter of his. She is gentle and sweet as the day is long. I have been around many others of his offspring and certainly not seen any trend of problem horses.
Sorry for my little rant, you just hit a wee nerve. Carry on with your regularly scheduled program.
Ok, I’m dropping the whole prelude thing…forget about it…its done. I will never say another thing until I see what my foal turns out like.
It was more that it was bumming me out that the bad rep trakes get STILL exsist! I mean, what year is it?!
I was thinking, other than promoting your own trake when it does well in the hunter world, that perhaps doing things like wearing the trakehner logo on your schooling pad or polos or shirt or grooming bag, etc. would at least strike up some conversation about the breed and people could become more aware that, “hey, that really nice hunter is ACTUALLY a trake?!!”
I’m just saying us fans of the breed should really start to be cheerleaders for them so that the breed can continue to thrive! I mean, the story of their exsistance, alone is enough to amaze a lot of people!
Cornerpost, that was my experience in being around Dully as well. Sue is a tiny woman and never had a problem with him. He had a stopping problem for awhile, but was never hot or a difficult ride. Once Conrad figured the problem out, well, the rest is (ancient) history. I was around him a good bit when Debbie rode him and never once saw him anything but a gentleman.
I’ve said it before, either on that thread or one of many others, but there’s a VALID reason why someone doesn’t go looking in the Trak world for a Hunter - they aren’t bred for it.
That does NOT mean there aren’t full or half Traks out there doing well in the Hunters. It doesn’t mean the very highly Dressage-bred horse can’t turn out to be a phenominal Hunter. It doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions to every general rule.
But that’s what they are - in the grand scheme of things, they are exceptions
Stating you (in general) have a Trak Hunter who does well does not at all negate the reality that Traks in general are not bred for the Hunters - don’t move like a Hunter, don’t jump like a Hunter.
So yes, when people say these things about Traks in the Hunter ring, they are mostly right. It’s the ones who say they will never make a good Hunter who are wrong.
Just smile and walk away.
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I spent a summer living with Sue and Terry Williams and Abdullah. I groomed “the man” and handled him for breeding. He was always a gentleman. Dully had a HUGE presence but he was never hot and difficult. Sue was at that time (1998) still riding him every day alone in a snaffle bit around the farm, fields and trails. I would take a horse like him any day.
In fact I do have a daughter of his. She is gentle and sweet as the day is long. I have been around many others of his offspring and certainly not seen any trend of problem horses.
Sorry for my little rant, you just hit a wee nerve. Carry on with your regularly scheduled program.;)[/QUOTE]
The very successful small junior hunter, Tobasco, is another Abdullah offspring with a lovely jump and sweet temperament.
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The very successful small junior hunter, Tobasco, is another Abdullah offspring with a lovely jump and sweet temperament.[/QUOTE]
I have a long yearling by Abdullah, whose damsire is Galoubet and who is also a chestnut filly! Talk about people just about having a heart-attack! But she is super intelligent and so far is easy-peasy to work with.Luckily she is a keeper filly for me, so I don’t have to try and market her, which would be difficult, I’m sure
I duuno…nobody “slammed” traks, one poster (who has been in the hunters for 40 years), mentioned they are not the preferred breed…but since most Hunter folk buy them after they have proved what they can DO? They will buy it if it can do it…but many of even the good ones have a style more suited for Jumpers.
Us Hunter princesses mostly jumped (;)) on this poster because she stated Prelude was very, very famous, COTH posters have been raving about how wonderful he is and had many famous Hunter champions everybody knows on the ground.
Unfortunately, their names are secret and USEF only lists 6 with results since 2007-none jumping anything. And he is a 1993 product and should have offspring ranging up to…oh, 12+ or so-plenty of time for enough crops to make an impression as a stud.
Seems to hang the knees in those videos provided though. And no Open show results for him either (The special Puissance at the trak convention is not a resume topper).
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I’m not anti Trak. In fact there is a Trak showing in Junior Hunter near me who does very well but could you define what you mean by ‘do quite well on the rated circuits’.? Some examples please?
Can’t find anything on Asher either on USEF hunter stallion lists.[/QUOTE]
That would be because he is not a USA stallion. Canadian
http://ncffarms.homestead.com/Showresults.html
I had a horse show in the same division as the mare, she actually looked like a nice ride.
Fair enough. But you said rated circuits so there must be some Canadian website I look up his offspring’s performance records on?
About Tobasco: No doubt that this is a nice horse but it showed 4 times this year ( hasn’t been seen since WEF) and is in 50th place in one of the four way split Junior Hunter sections.
Just me but that’s not ‘highly successful’. Not to pick on the Tobasco fan but far too often posters make claims on this forum that turn out to be feed and lead, DHSB or 2’ Hunters with 3 in the class and the horse has been doing that section for a bunch of years.
I do agree that just to be a competitive 3’6" horse is an accomplishment.
Just to cut Prelude some slack, since he isn’t a “bad” horse and I kind of hate that these threads that the OP has started has generated some not so kind press for him… He was in CAN until 2005 or 2006. Prior to that he had no or next to no offspring in the US and was primarily pointed towards dressage, so realisitically his oldest US offspring is from 2006 I think so they are just now 5 yo. (For the poster that commented that he was a 12 yo stallion with limited offspring). I have always had a soft spot for him since I saw him in Seattle several years ago (prior to his current owner). He’s a good boy.
Nobody said he was a bad horse, we just reacted to claims of glory that could not be substantiated…and he has no record of any offspring doing anything at all over any kind of fences according to USEF. Just some in hand results at smaller midwest shows, mostly by one horse with nothing at all after 2008.
Far as lack of offspring? That OP claimed there were many, many of them very successful in the Hunters, claimed we all raved about them in some thread a few years back-that nobody can remember or turn up in a search.
I got nothing against the horse. Just actual record versus reported record as a sire of successful HUNTERS.
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