Splitting DIY costs amongst boarders doing inequal work

My barn is moving to DIY. There are 6 of us that would like to stay and try and figure it out, however some are willing to do a large chunk of the work, and some can not do any of it. I am an accountant so I am good with numbers but I am losing my mind figuring out how to best do this!

There are two main shared costs which is hay and shavings which I assume we would just split evenly. My mare is clean and eats very little so I am already losing here but, whatever.

Then, in my opinion, there are 4 “shifts” of work that could be designed to offset the other costs (IE. have other boarders pay less if they are doing more work). Turn out, stalls, turn in, night check. Stalls could be combined with turn out or turn in, and in the summer night check could be combined with turn in. Its tricky when a boarder can do their own stall and turn in their horse but can never help with turn out because that’s the annoying part to have to do when we all have full time jobs.

Anyways, does anyone have a system that has worked for them?

Well, some friends found themselves in a similar situation and what they did was, pay “full care” price, with the ‘base board’ going to the BO and the rest going to the person who was picking up the slack.
Perhaps assign a cost to each task, based on how long it takes and what it’s worth. If one cannot contribute to that task then they must pay those who can. Make sense?
Does that help?
With morning turnout being tough because of work schedules, I would split that up - person A does it on Monday, person B on Tuesday, or some such thing.
Make a list of chores that must be done each day. Sit down with your group and think out loud as to who can commit to which chores on which days. It will go a lot better if you each get days off, or “lesser” days.

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This really is a no win situation if people are already there and used to paying what they pay for what they are doing.

If it is a self care situation, it seems weird to charge someone who does all their own self care, but is not able to do others self care.

I think generally speaking this type of situation always runs into the problem of a few people do barely the bare minimum and others do more than the minimum and both sides resent the other side.

Starting from scratch I think it would work best with a base board price that covers everything and people get monies off/payment for stuff they did.

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Unfortunately, I have not seen it work well long term. One friend had a horse at a “co-op” barn. There was a schedule posted in the barn of who was to do what when. Inevitably some people didnt show up or did a crummy job (by other boarder’s standard) etc. Bad feelings all around and people started leaving.

One option that did seem to work, was the group paid into a pot (so they were always ahead of the expense) and they hired someone to do turnout and morning feeding on weekdays. There were also at least two boarder emergency contacts who could do it in a pinch. They scheduled themselves for turn in and afternoon feeding. Everyone was responsible for their own stall cleaning, but some chose to pay another boarder on some days. Worked pretty well with only a few disputes that I knew of.

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I would not approach this situation as a ‘split all costs evenly’ metric. Each person should, if there is space for it, buy their own hay/grain/shavings to feed their own horse. They pay the rough board fee, what ever it is, and the rest is worked out between parties on who is responsible for what chore, which day of the week. I have seen a few co-op situations and the split-costs evenly approach always ends up with someone feeling they got the short end of the stick.

Co-op situations truly only work best when everyone wants it to be co-op, and wants to be there to put in the work. Like Trubandloki said, there is no win here if people are being thrust into this position and do not want it.

I’ve done rough board/co-op before. I’m not sure as a BO I would ever encourage it again, and as a boarder I would be very wary on who I co-op’d with. It requires no ‘Personality’ parties, and everyone to be on the same page, gracious, and willing to step in where they can. Resentment builds up fast if one party is a perennial slacker, constantly doesn’t do their part, doesn’t get the feed/hay right, etc. A good co-op situation has a lot of flexible, moving parts, and when there are bad parties in the mix there’s just too many moving parts to make it sustainable and mistake free.

When I orchestrated the co-op situation as a barn manager, here is what I found worked best:

  • everyone pays their own hay/feed
  • everyone responsible for setting up the day’s worth of hay/feed/water
  • everyone responsible for mucking their own stall / picking paddocks
  • barn workers (me, other staffs funded by full board boarders) would drop hay/feed 3x a day while we fed full boarders. We only had 5 rough boarders so the time spent to do that was negligible and the costs for this labor defrayed by the co-op’s board rate
  • co-op parties worked out who was responsible for turn in / turn out
  • make a schedule and make it consistent - buy a white board that has everyone’s names / chores / days they are doing

Some things I learned managing this situation:
It’s best to have one party feed all horses at once. I was a BM during the takeover of a pre-existing barn. The previous co-op/rough boarders would all come at different times to feed, which upset the full board horses if it was before their AM feed drop, and would upset me if I fed full-boarders while the rough board horses were looking at me all sad and hungry. It lead to a lot of kicking walls, pawing, and agitation in the barn. So after sitting down with the rough boarders and BO, we decided that barn staff would drop all feed, all the time, to keep it consistent - but the rough boarders had to have the hay & grain set up in buckets to be easily ‘dropped’. No exceptions. If you don’t have a barn staff in your situation anymore, hire help or discuss paying BO a bit more in your base rough board rate to cover a barn staffer.

There is always going to be one party that doesn’t feed enough, or work enough, or whatever. It’s better to ask them to leave ASAP before they sour the rest of group.

You may run into someone who does not organize paying their hay/food/whatever well. Or they may not feed enough at all. I had one rough boarder who fed her 17h retired TB one cup of Sentinel LS a day and only gave 3 flakes of hay. He was emaciated. Her other horse was on full board. I ended up paying to feed him myself. If you are like me, you might get roped into something like that.

Put a white board in the rough board/co-op main barn, with everyone’s contacts. Write M/T/W/T/F/S/S across the top (column) and then the chores listed in chronological order on the left, descending (ie. AM turnout, Water, PM turn in, stalls, turnout). Fill in with the name of the party responsible. I don’t know the psychology behind it, but my rough boarders’ attendances got significantly better once their name was somewhere front and center as the responsible party for a specific chore.

On stall and pasture picking - our co-op boarders usually made a deal among themselves where one person would be responsible for all five rough boarders for one chore. It worked well for that group - they’d have one person do all the turnout/stall picking/set up grain in the AM, and each would only have to come ‘one and a half’ days a week - they alternated who did PM chores.

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This is a great idea. I would be the one doing most of the work and I’d be happy to “manage the money” per say.

Completely agreed. Ideally I would like to say all of you have to do one full day’s worth of work or you’ve gotta go lol but I’m trying to help people out. It’s unsustainable. I’m not even the manager here!

I should add, I don’t think it’ll work long term either. We were all thrust into a bad situation basically where we got two weeks notice that this was happening. I am hoping to do what I can to help others (and myself) to make it work “for now” so people have an appropriate amount of time to figure out a different arrangement for their horse.

I am starting to think this is the best bet. I have an easy keeper pony mare that poops in one corner of her stall. I know I am going to get bitter when I am paying the same amount as the 25 year old TB that needs a ton of hay and trashes his stall every day lol. Thank you for your entire post it was very helpful.

If the barn wants to buy hay and shavings in bulk, you can make it so each boarder buys their share from that stash. Then you will pay for what you use and that other boarder will pay for what they use.

Yes, now I am definitely going to ask if they’d be willing to buy hay in bulk and we can buy off them.

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I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but have a “price” for each thing, payable to the person doing it. That way if someone is doing more work, they’re compensated. If time is the rub, that’s going to be harder to deal with.

I agree with others that this situation does not seem likely to last without much strife.

does anyone have a system that has worked for them?

we used economics converting everything into a value of utility (utils) 
 one bale of hay equaled x number or faction number of shavings and so forth
 one could pay their debt in any item or mix of items 
 one day of labor might equal three bales of hay or one bale of hay and four bags of compressed shavings

But I suspect in OP’s position there will be 1/3rd freeloaders, 1/3rd sort of workers and 1/3rd doing 90% of the work

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The only way I can see this working long-term, is each owner buying their own hay and feed and bagged shavings, and each owner providing the individual care needed for their horse(s) each day. Otherwise, I feel like this will become a situation involving unfairness and resentment.

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Who’s going to monitor the honesty of this? I say this as someone who once boarded at a barn that allowed 2 wheelbarrows of shavings per week. The BO literally put a calendar on each stall and nightly went around marking if fresh shavings had been added to that stall.
Just sayin’


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I admit it, I wrongly assume that most people are honest about these things. I know that makes me silly.

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No, it does not. I guess it just means, how well do you know these people? I know people who would give you the shirt off their back when they have none, and others who would slit your throat first. To some people it wouldn’t occur to them to be dishonest. Others are more loosey goosey about stuff.
That’s all.

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You are right. I agree.

Economics is exactly how my brain works haha but the comments on this post are making things a lot simpler for me because yes, your breakdown of freeloaders vs workers seems about right.

Thanks everyone this has really given me some great ideas. Each person will have to buy their own hay and bagged shavings and contribute a fixed amount to a labour fund. It likely will be a short term arrangement while everyone finds somewhere else to go (or kicks their horse outside) but this discussion has been very interesting! Thanks!

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The only problem with this is the fact that some people run out of all 3 on a regular basis, don’t provide enough to adequately feed the poor horse?

Then what happens? If each boarder pays the same base lump sum for hay, feed and bedding then each horse will at least have the food they need. Even in a normal full care everyone pays the same for this no matter how little they eat or how clean they are. Nobody is griping then.

Is it not possible for all boarders to split the cost for someone to feed , turnout and clean 5 days a week?

Then boarders can rotate one weekend ?

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Nobody is griping?
Really?
Do you read a different forum?

I agree that in a full care (read full care as any level of care that is not self care) situation one price no matter how much your horse eats and makes their stall a disaster is the way to go.
In self care, that does not seem logical.

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People on here seem genuinely happy to pay for or buy supplemental hay when their barn only feeds a specific amount.

The OP here was voicing their opinion that everyone paying the same and buying hay, bedding etc was not kosher since her horse was cleaner and possibly wasted less hay? See below.

This is a problem with all types of rough board that I’ve seen and is why I would likely never offer it as a BO.

If you make them be responsible for their own hay, they drop the ball/run out of hay in the middle of the week and take other people’s hay or grain.

If you make them buy hay off of you, they run out of hay and/or don’t pay you.

Either way someone gets stiffed, and the horse still needs to be fed.

Rough board does not typically include a “base lump sum” for hay/feed/bedding. It is typically just the dry stall and paddock.

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