I think you might be reading too much into this lol… it’s not applicable because I don’t want this account anymore and didn’t want anyone to post again knowing that I would try to delete! No offence intended just don’t want my (compromised) personal info out there 
I’m grateful for everyone who has given me info and was responding and asking questions before I was notified that my account was compromised, does anyone know if I can actually delete or if I just need to become inactive?
No you can’t delete your account. You can contact the mods and see if they can help you change to a new email
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Thanks!
You can change your email yourself, actually. On a computer (not mobile) click on your real name at the very top left corner of the screen to view your account. You can change your email there.
Totally agree with what Laurie said about “not applicable” :-/
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I think you can change your information on your account, or even quit the forum, but you can leave your rather innocuous question up, since it doesn’t reveal personal information and got a lot of responses that remain interesting. It’s not like you were on here cursing out a trainer or barn with a lot of obvious identifying details.
The threads on COTH stay up and visible with searches, and the idea of whether anyone is breeding TB sporthorses is actually a question that I am sure has occurred to many folks, and is a good question. Once a COTH thread gets responses, it tends to take on a life of it’s own, and the discussion goes beyond the original post and the folks that take the time to respond tend to feel some ownership of the thread and their (usually) thoughtful and experienced answers.
So beheading a thread like this feels a bit like an insult to the people who participated in good faith.
You can’t delete the thread so it will stay forever. You can replace the question you deleted, so the thread makes sense to people who read it in the future. You can certainly change or delete any identifying material and your email in your account setting, and you can certainly leave blank things like your location.
If you stop posting or leave the forums, the thread will stay up and people will probably keep adding to it from time to time. And then one day in the year 2030 it will be revived by a random spammer selling something completely unrelated.
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Oh look, a thread with the title “deleting”. That screams ‘ope and read’ to anyone just passing by.
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And very disappointed we are when it isn’t a juicy trainwreck!
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I’ll pretend this is still a thread on a subject, if it’s ok with all the players.
As a (former) sport horse breeder, I was always a tiny bit frustrated that I couldn’t breed my OTTB or WB mares to nice TB stallions conveniently or at a reasonable price. It seemed to me a TB stallion could expand his genetic influence greatly by allowing AI for non-racing offspring. Less expensive for the sport market breeder, easier to do (don’t have to ship the mare for live cover) and seemed that it would be incremental profit for the stallion owner(s) with multiple doses possible from one collection. Now I know the upper crust of stallions wouldn’t ever participate in something like this. but the next tiers down? There are some really lovely horses there that might be fantastic sport horse sires.
Just my two cents.
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You probably could do that with many of the less expensive stallions. Just ask. On paper it won’t be expanding the genetic influence though unless the stallion is such a collosal failure in the shed when it comes to siring racehorses that they give up and stand him to sport horse mares.
Thanks Laurierace. No doubt you’re right, but as I said, I’m no longer breeding.
It’s actually an interesting question. There are so many OTTB around and available, I had never really thought about the fact that the racing industry really ties up most of the breeding stock.
Now you can get a very nice OTTB gelding. And you can get a nice enough OTTB mare. But I would think that the outstanding OTTB mares get second careers as broodmares, so they may not enter the riding/sport horse market to the same degree. And yes, if you did want to breed a sport horse to a race horse TB stud, would the owners even be open to that? If they are set up for live cover only, they might not particularly want to get into trying to ship semen which is a whole other thing.
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Sorry to everyone about this thread! I’ve only ever posted once before and didn’t mean any harm or offence to the people who replied when deleting, I’m afraid I panicked a little when I had account trouble! Thanks everyone who helped and I’m on my way to resolving some issues with the mods! I’ve changed the first post people will know what this thread is about and feel free to continue having some lovely TB discussions!!
Again, sorry for any offence.
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EXACTLY!! I have one pure TB filly that we bred, for sale now…sold our Unbridled"s Song stallion to a race horse breeder in Nebraska. With the HUGE supply of OTTB’s…we can’t come close to selling our lovely filly for what we’ve got in her and for less someone will be eating her. As much as I prefer a good TB…we really can’t afford to breed them anymore. And the JC is killing sport horse TB breeders!!
Perpetuating this killed-off thread…
I think pure TBs bred for sport are actually at a marketing disadvantage. Part of the (slight) resurgence in popularity of the TB for sport is due to the “OTTB” factor. Makeover prospects, TIP classes (can’t do them without JC papers), the idea of “rescuing” (gag) your horse, etc.
It depends on the farm and the ownership of the stallion.
Major Kentucky farms and major regional hubs are busy and generally have little to no interest in messing with that aspect. Smaller farms’ receptiveness varies. I’ve found many are willing if you present the mare with the same LC terms. Almost none are set up for AI and shipping semen, unless they happen to also dabble in other breeds/registries. Not all stallions can easily switch modes between LC and collecting in an AV.
I will add, having been involved in both methods, comparatively, I find AI a major pain in the arse. A lot of sport breeders who have done exclusively AI disagree.
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One point on AI and registering a TB foal need for sport.
It is possible. However… you have to have a plan and follow rules applicable to one of the Sport Horse registries going into. Soooo… if you had a nice JC registered TB mare, you would need to pay a fee and become a member of a sport horse organization that does accept such mares into their stud books for breeding purposes. Say… Westfalen. Then you would need to attend an inspection, and present the mare. She would need to score adequately in terms of her confirmation and movement, and they would look at her original JC papers and pedigree. If all seemed in order, and she scores well during her inspection, and she is DNA verified, and everything checks out, the mare can then be entered into the Main Mare Book.
That’s step 1. Step 2 is to breed that mare to a full TB stallion approved and fully licensed by the same Sporthorse registry. Westfalen in this example. There are options… not a ton… but some are really great. Most are frozen… but Sea Lion and Sea Accounts are available here in the states fresh I think. Look at Superior Equine Sires roster for other options. I believe Chiron XX can still be sourced for those interested in him as well. He was approved and licensed by many registries. I’m not sure if there is still frozen available from French Buffet XX either… but he was fully licensed and approved by most registries (and has a pretty awesome performance history and great pedigree). Rather Well is another one to consider up in Canada. Approved Canadian Sport Horse, and had a great performance career. I would imagine if anyone were to speak about him specifically to Westfalen NA or one of the other open book registries, and pay applicable one time fees to use him, it might be possible to breed to him and get a fully registerable foal.
Once foal is born, from an inspected and approved Main Mare Book mare, and a full TB, but licensed and approved stallion… it gets full papers from the Sporthorse registry. Westfalen in this example. Even though the foal is actually full TB by pedigree. The foal could NOT, however, be used to breed future Jockey Club registerable TBs. And any colt or filly would have to go through the registries processes with respect to inspections/performance testing for stallions in order to be approved for breeding as an adult.
It is all a lengthy process to go through. And limits options. The positive side though is that it does mean one can breed via AI. The additional positive side of it all is that you do have the benefit of having a third party look at the mare and judge her relative to sport horse standards prior to breeding. So if she’s built VERY downhill, with a very low set neck and conformation that may work decently for breeding a sprinter destined for a racing career, but unsuitable when it comes to breeding a sporthorse… theoretically she wouldn’t achieve high enough scores in terms of conformation to be approved to a Main Mare Book of a registry. And that’s a good thing to be aware of… it is what it is.
I admire the knowledgeable and talented riders who are developing and standing full TB stallions here in the US, and taking them out to compete so that we have some sort of idea about talent and suitability when it comes to producing sport horses (although the true proof is in what the offspring go on to do… but that takes time to know, and you have to start somewhere… proving the stallion himself as a good performance horse is important).
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I also understand the earlier point about the problem with breeding full TBs, who don’t have JC papers though. There is such a huge market of OTTBs who need a second career… it’s hard to justify pursuing this for anything other than 100% personal reasons, or preserving a unique and important sire line (like the Twist line).
As the owner of two nice mares, both of whom are warmbloods, but with different birth registries and are ENTIRELY different types… I can say that I am confident BOTH would produce something that was an improvement over themselves if I were to breed either to a TB stallion who was of good quality and a good match for either mare in terms of basic conformation and movement. So I do pay close attention to options out there as it is something I want to do with one or both of them… if/when the time is right (regular life priorities get in the away at present… maybe in the Spring of 2021…). With that said, even if I could find a TB stallion who only had a performance career on the track, but was successful and still affordable ($2000 or less for the stud fee), and was ALSO available for breeding to non TB mares… AND I was comfortable sending one of my mares to that stallion for LC because the stallion wasn’t available for AI… my registration options for a foal are more limited than they are if I choose to use a warm blood approved, full TB stallion who is only available via AI. That is something I do factor into things when thinking about possibilities… if life allows me to pursue a project in the future.
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I believe most reputable WB registries will not register horses who are “100% blood,” even if both parents are approved. They might give a COP or some sort of pre-book, if you just want to record pedigree.
I stand corrected. Westfalen/RPSI/whatever they are now will allow TB x TB matings:
https://westfalenverband.com/documents/WestfalenWBBreeds.pdf
I know KWPN and Holsteiner will not. I don’t think Hanoverian will, but can’t find confirmation. Don’t know about others.
After all that…a buyer will want to pay $1000 for your foal!!
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