https://www.theage.com.au/sport/racing/merlos-pursues-a-grand-first-20050708-ge0h7h.html
Amen, Beowulf. I, too, roll my eyes at the perceived āsuperiorityā of the non-American TB. Riders here will complain that we have too much Northern Dancer (a CANADIAN born, btw), yet point to a āā¦(GBR)ā or āā¦(IRE)ā as a much better example of a sport horse, and I just sigh at the ignorance. The British & Irish, and most of Australian TB gene pool has way, WAY more Northern Dancer influence than the US. Sadlers Wells was as, or more prolific than Storm Cat, and Galileo is continuing on. Add in a heavy dose of Danzig (Danehill & on), and you really wonāt find a successful British or Irish horse that isnāt related to common US dirt horses.
ND did make some fine jumpers (I have a ND granddaughter who went Advanced and jumped the moon), and heās in a ton of chasers, but he was definitely NOT a ābig boned, rangy type,ā and neither are most of his best descendants. Donāt get me wrong, Frankel (IRE) is beautifully balanced and athletic, but physically, he would fit right in at any Kentucky stud farmā¦as his full brother Noble Mission (IRE) has at Laneās End.
Or worse yet, is when they gripe about Mr Prospector and how he āstampsā ⦠:lol:
One of my favorites to see is when people are āISO TB! Must not have any Mr P!!ā Thatās when you know those people probably are only familiar with the kind of Thoroughbred horse that fits in a Breyer Barn.
This is often the same person, or relative of the ottb owner who is incredibly smug about having a descendant of Secretariat or Bold Ruler. They donāt realize the MANY thousands of foals descending from AP Indy, Storm Cat, and Gone West will have Secretariat (and will show specific phenotype from those stallions, not Big Red himself).
So hereās a question for you knowledgeable folks because I have no clueā¦
I have a 5 yr old full TB gelding by Northern Afleet out of Godiva (CHI) by Gold Tribute. He was bred by Mt Brilliant here in KY for their elite polo program, but was too tall for polo and is now my baby jumper.
He was bred via AI. Aside from his USEF registration which he already has, do I have any options for registration? Sounds like the WB registries with open books still require both parents to be approved, and I know JC is out of the question. I am about to email the TIP folks to see if some kind of DNA testing would be acceptable in lieu of JC papers for participation in the TIP program, but Iām not holding my breath.
If heās just a cool, unregistered TB with only a USEF number thatās fine, but I would like to see if there are any other options available. Thank you!
@Virginia Horse Mom @Texarkana @beowulf @EventerAJ
On my Instagram page I have collected a lot of pedigree information of past and present horses and the Thoroughbred in their pedigrees. Please look here:
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Someone who knows a lot about breeding sport horses with the use of Thoroughbred blood is Michael Beining. He is a dressage trainer who used to have racehorses and who bred sport horses, race horses and used race horses to breed sport horses. He even bred a Thoroughbred stallion (Ridgmont) that was approved for breeding in Germany. He is German but has been living in America for quite a while. https://twitter.com/Ridgmont1
I donāt think you have any registry options. I could be wrong. Maybe someone else has ideas.
Agreed, I donāt think thereās much you can do. Say āAIā to the jockey club and they will (metaphorically) hang up on you. You might try to talk to TIP about a DNA proof of parentage, but being a Jockey Club related entity I wouldnāt have much hope.
Mt Brilliant breeds some very nice polo horses, though.
Iām surprised Taylor Made (Iām assuming) did AI for polo. How many other farms are doing this? Most I have worked with would rather not deal with it⦠but Mt. Brilliant has foals by Medaglia Dāoro , Redouteās Choice, Into Mischiefā¦
The untold truth of the big stud farms is that they may use āreinforcement breedingā and stick a straw in the mare after she is covered. Not with every stallion, not with every mare, but it happens occasionally if vets request it. (For those unfamiliar with big TB stud farms, there are usually vets working the shed who inspect a dismount sample from every cover; if semen quality is suspect, they may use a straw to āreinforceā.) Not all stallions are collected, but some are, probably older stallions. Itās not widely known, because for JC purposes, the studs canāt sell it, but it doesnāt surprise me Mt Brilliant worked a deal with TM to get some straws. They breed plenty of race horse mares, too, at the going rate.
Thank you both. TIP said no, which I expected. Disappointing because I think heād do great in those classes, but it is what it is. He has the KY Polo brand on his left flank and weāve been jokingly calling him our āKentucky Warmblood.ā Maybe Iāll say that out loud and make it official. :lol:
EventerAJ, they sure do! Sig has a great brain which I appreciate the most. Article on their program for anyone interested: [h=1]From Racing to Polo: Mt. Brilliant Farm Takes Thoroughbreds to the Top[/h]
If youāre looking for a TB stallion who will do AI, thereās a Miswaki grandson named Asagao who has done some eventing and has a great mind and fancy jump. They have just made his frozen available in the USA this year, and the quality is very good. SES doesnāt carry him but you can get it through Andrea Sieg (sheās on FB). I think you can register the foal as a Westphalian, but Andrea could tell you about that.