Stallion suggestions for mares

[Manni01]

Thank you everybody for giving such valuable advice in the other Thread about the recovery of the US market.

I thought it was a great idea of Trinityhorse to advise on a new thread for this topic in order to find some stallions which are not easily available in the US.

So I will try…

I own two 2-year old fillies.

1. by Don Schufro. Her dam is by Sandro Hit out of Lotse-Modus xx (Lotse goes back to Lenz and then back to Lugano, Der Loewe xx) This filly is very elegant and tall with great movement. Her mother is a little small though but all her relatives on the motherside are exceptional movers…

2. by Sandro Hit. Her dam is by Don Schufro out of Caprilli-Godavari xx. (Caprilli goes back to Calypso II) Chacco Blue comes from this motherline which is really more a jumping line. The filly has exceptional gaits though and is very tall with a lot of bone.

This is a recent video of them out in the pasture. The one in the front is the Sandro Hit filly, the one behind is the Don Schufro filly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIcPQb6GRxU

My first Idea was Buddenbrock, a Trakehner stallion who is known to throw elegant tall offspring
http://www.pferde-gestuet.de/news/Buddenbrock-ist-Trakehner-Hengst-des-Jahres-2010-659.html

My second Idea is Benetton Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ml9d0yKlTk&feature=related

My third idea would be Worldly
http://de.harasdehus.com/etalons-fiche.php?current_language=de&id=12128&idGroupe=297

I´m looking forward to all your input, because I have no idea about desirable stallions in the US.

[Donella]

Both lovely fillies!

Not sure on stallion selection but fwiw my significant other rode Worldly for a few weeks when he was training in Germany. He really liked him but he said he was definately a man’s ride.

There are a few stallions available in Germany that I wish we could get here. One of them is Laudabilis. Would love to see him on one of your mares…

[ne1]

carprilli

carprilli was a son of calypso i, not ii, and is spelt with the extra ‘r’.

it is true to say that both he and chacco blue are of jumping lineage, but carprilli as an individual was best known for his contribution in dressage.

this does not appear to contradict what you were saying, as you seemed to be referring to chacco blue’s stam correctly as a jumper producing stam from mecklenburg.

http://stallionsofinterest.web.officelive.com/Carprilli.aspx

nice young mares.

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=ne1;5702638]
carprilli was a son of calypso i, not ii, and is spelt with the extra ‘r’.

it is true to say that both he and chacco blue are of jumping lineage, but carprilli as an individual was best known for his contribution in dressage.

this does not appear to contradict what you were saying, as you seemed to be referring to chacco blue’s stam correctly as a jumper producing stam from mecklenburg.

http://stallionsofinterest.web.officelive.com/Carprilli.aspx

nice young mares.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for spelling Carprilli wrong and giving him the wrong sire:o I really never payed much attention to him in my breeding considerations…
And Chacco Blue has the same motherline as my mare and her filly. Him and her go back to a mare with the name of “Dispatcherfolge”. She had two daughters with the TB Godavarixx. Godanah I and II. One is the grandmother of my mare and one is the Grandmother of Chacco Blue…

Thank you very much for the nice link about Caprilli:)

By the Way who would you recommend for either one of them??

[ne1]

i try to steer clear of offering direct stallion suggestions on here. i just don’t think it’s the right format unless i am extremely familiar with the mare. i like to kick around the detailed considerations of given stallion choices if i’m aware of them instead. besides that, i breed holsteiner jumpers, not for dressage.

that being said, its a pretty cool stam to share with a horse like chacco blue. he is interesting though… well concentrated cor de la bryere - which i like - through his first two sires. the argument could be made that cb’s noted abilities could have been greatly contributed by these two (chambertin and contender), which would leave that stam with something to prove using other stallions, and especially here in a dressage context.

outside of cb, i am not familiar with this stam out of mechlenburg, other than seeing what sits in the online databases.

carprilli is the third sire of a 6yo that i’ve been doing in the young jumpers this year. her pedigree is interesting (argentinus x granulit x carprilli)… in that each of these sires were very well known as dressage producers, but the latter two coming from jumping sires themselves. argentinus rewrote the books on breeding across disciplines…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Donella;5702613]
Both lovely fillies!

Not sure on stallion selection but fwiw my significant other rode Worldly for a few weeks when he was training in Germany. He really liked him but he said he was definately a man’s ride.

There are a few stallions available in Germany that I wish we could get here. One of them is Laudabilis. Would love to see him on one of your mares…:D[/QUOTE]

Thank you Donella:)
Actually I really never considered Laudabilis, and to my knowlegde he is not really hot in Germany right now. But I will look him up and try to get a closer look. And from the first glance his pedigree looks quite interesting.

And I´m sure you are right about Wordly… I just like those gigantic moving Weltmeyer sons… Although I never owned a horse from that line and was always a little scared to use him…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=ne1;5702966]
i try to steer clear of offering direct stallion suggestions on here. i just don’t think it’s the right format unless i am extremely familiar with the mare. i like to kick around the detailed considerations of given stallion choices if i’m aware of them instead. besides that, i breed holsteiner jumpers, not for dressage.

that being said, its a pretty cool stam to share with a horse like chacco blue. he is interesting though… well concentrated cor de la bryere - which i like - through his first two sires. the argument could be made that cb’s noted abilities could have been greatly contributed by these two (chambertin and contender), which would leave that stam with something to prove using other stallions, and especially here in a dressage context.

outside of cb, i am not familiar with this stam out of mechlenburg, other than seeing what sits in the online databases.

carprilli is the third sire of a 6yo that i’ve been doing in the young jumpers this year. her pedigree is interesting (argentinus x granulit x carprilli)… in that each of these sires were very well known as dressage producers, but the latter two coming from jumping sires themselves. argentinus rewrote the books on breeding across disciplines…[/QUOTE]

Thank you Ne1:) I really appreciate your post and you are right, it is tricky to give advice. Although I do kind of hope that you could use a bandwith of stallions and still get a pretty nice result…

And with Chacco Blue. Yep I agree with you and was excited when I found out about it. My farrier knows Godanah Chacco Blues mother and he told me she was a very impressive mare. She was extremly sucessful in jumping up to S and that for a long time.
Im still not very sure why the breeder of my fillys mother used Don Schufro because the mare (by caprilli) was also a very sucessful jumpinghorse…

[TrinitySporthorses]

While all your stallion choices are perfectly nice, I am not sure that any of them would offer a “guaranteed quick sale” (ok, we all know there is no such thing). I am sure the foals would be lovely, but because you are hoping for an easy and early sale, I would not use any of these stallions.

So far, Bennetton Dream has only had a few foals in the US and they have seemed to sell quickly BUT I believe many more people bred to him this year. He is readily available in the US via frozen. That said, however, I like him a lot and he would be my pick of the 3 you mentioned (as long as your girls aren’t real tall).

I think the other 2 guys, while excellent stallions, just wouldn’t have the instant and widespread name recognition you might want in this case.

Obviously, the most important thing is to make a good match with the individual mare you see in front of you. But if the stallion ALSO has a fan club over here, you would be better off. And looking at your lovely girls, I think they would produce excellent offspring with a number of different stallions!

Most of the stallions I can think of that don’t freeze well are Dutch, can anyone else help her out by naming German stallions that don’t freeze well and would be desired by Americans…?

[nsm]

Dobels Cento does not freeze well nor does Staccato. Both very desirable stallions-
Nancy

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

First, I am not breeding dressage horses and can’t comment on appropriate crosses to your mares (sorry). That said, I thought I read Damon Hill didn’t freeze well and that is a stallion I am personally interested in. If I am wrong, please correct me! And I am in America, lol.

I don’t know if the rest of the US population agrees with me however…

[RedMare01]

I agree with Damon Hill, and also check out Real Diamond. :yes:

[ahf]

Embassy I does not freeze.

On second thought - don’t do that. I might have to buy it if it was a filly out of the Der Loewe line mare. (My Der Loewe line mare lost her Embassy III fillyl this year and I’m still grieving)

[DownYonder]

As mentioned, Damon Hill and Real Diamond would probably be of interest to NA breeders. Lissaro van de Helle is another one that breeders have expressed interest in. Also Sandro Boy.

Hohenstein I had some issues for a while, but I understand there have been more successess now that they have increased the number of straws per dose,

And it is too late now since he passed over the Bridge a few weeks ago, but Rohdiamant also didn’t freeze well.

[TrinitySporthorses]

Ohh, yes, I hadn’t thought of Damon Hill! If you think he would be a good cross with one of your girls that would be a very easy foal to sell, I believe.

[eks]

One stallion I would love to be able to get semen from over here is Lauries Crusador xx…

Your mares are lovely…not sure if you would want to add anymore TB blood to the mix…I certainly don’t think he would be a bad choice though

[Donella]

Damon Hill blows me away…outside of Toto he is hands down my favorite international horse. That would be alot of Donnerhall though?

[Walnut_Farm]

I think you go about it a bit “backwards” in my opinion
Bloodlines are great, but that would not be my nr 1 priority
With such good media and ease of travel from buying abroad, to sell, you need to get the best foal possible. Pick apart your mares (or have someone who knows assist you). Find what you like And what you would Like to improve and then find stallions who does that regulary.

Seen a lot of benetton dream offspring and him himself at both testing and shows

Bruddendock would not be very popular here. Had a Connery stallion but people in the us unfortunately thinks trakehners too difficult. Besides, a little lack of production?

Usually Don Schrufro can be less beautiful, so good type is important

Lauderbelis also lack offspring record

If you MUST sell, perhaps use top seller af auction jn October ? Ie, be The First with something New. And with 2 msres you can Pick netter match

Sorry fof Typung, on phone

[system]

Sure wish papers could be found on horses like this. It’s really a shame that roan will be lost…

[DownYonder]

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[Manni01]

[QUOTE=nsm;5704874]
Dobels Cento does not freeze well nor does Staccato. Both very desirable stallions-
Nancy[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your input, but I´m really a little scared to breed my Don Schufro or my Sandro Hit Mare to Dobels Cento or Stakkato…

I´m sure they would be well moving foals, but who would really want to buy a Stakkato - Don Schufro foal??

It would be kind of interesting though because my filly goes back to Modus xx who was an exceptional well producing stallion for jumping horses in the former Eastern part of Germany. But for a sale it would be kind of risky…