Stallion suggestions for mares

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=ahf;5705280]
Embassy I does not freeze.

On second thought - don’t do that. I might have to buy it if it was a filly out of the Der Loewe line mare. (My Der Loewe line mare lost her Embassy III fillyl this year and I’m still grieving)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for mentioning Embassy I. I think he produced Edward with a Fabriano Singular Joter mare.
He would certainly be a good choice for my Don Schufro filly, as he is giving very good riding quality and movements to his offspring, although beeing more famous for his jumping genes…
But don´t worry about the Lugano line in my mare. Its very far back…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;5705120]
First, I am not breeding dressage horses and can’t comment on appropriate crosses to your mares (sorry). That said, I thought I read Damon Hill didn’t freeze well and that is a stallion I am personally interested in. If I am wrong, please correct me! And I am in America, lol.

I don’t know if the rest of the US population agrees with me however…[/QUOTE]

Thank you:) Damon Hill is a beautiful Stallion. But if I would use him I would have to use him with the mother of the Don Schufro filly. She is by Sandro Hit- Lotse- Modusxx and I think she goes perfekt with the Donnerhall line…

My fillys have both Don Schufro very close, and I´m not to familiar with linebreeding in horses. I only know the pros and cons in dogs…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;5705292]
As mentioned, Damon Hill and Real Diamond would probably be of interest to NA breeders. Lissaro van de Helle is another one that breeders have expressed interest in. Also Sandro Boy.

Hohenstein I had some issues for a while, but I understand there have been more successess now that they have increased the number of straws per dose,

And it is too late now since he passed over the Bridge a few weeks ago, but Rohdiamant also didn’t freeze well.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your thoughts about my problem:)

I would also be really interested in Lissaro van de Helle, but as far as I know is it nearly impossible to get a mare pregnant from him. It would be high risk to try it. Most people I know who tried, changed the stallion later on…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Walnut Farm;5706469]
I think you go about it a bit “backwards” in my opinion
Bloodlines are great, but that would not be my nr 1 priority
With such good media and ease of travel from buying abroad, to sell, you need to get the best foal possible. Pick apart your mares (or have someone who knows assist you). Find what you like And what you would Like to improve and then find stallions who does that regulary.[/QUOTE]

Of course you are right. But I know nothing about the US market and was hoping to collect some informations about it.
In the past I learned, that having quality foals is not everything. You also need the right buyer…
I live in a part of Germany which is quite far away from the big breeding centers… So I always need something special to get the buyers to my place. Usually they do not come if I tell them that I have a nice foal for sale… They will come only if there is something special.
In Germany you sell foals mainly for their lines. Because buying a foal is buying hope… I don´t know how it works in the US.

Seen a lot of benetton dream offspring and him himself at both testing and shows

Actually I think he would be my safest choice. Especially as the Aunt of my Don Schufro filly had a very nice filly out of Beneton Dream which sold extremly well over the Auction in Verden.

Bruddendock would not be very popular here. Had a Connery stallion but people in the us unfortunately thinks trakehners too difficult. Besides, a little lack of production?

I have a friend who always recommends Buddenbrock because he bred some amazing premium mares out of him. But probably not recomendable for selling.

Usually Don Schrufro can be less beautiful, so good type is important

My filly is more elegant than my Sandro Hit mare. She is extremly elegant and has a beautiful head too.

Lauderbelis also lack offspring record

I´m a little worried about that too…

If you MUST sell, perhaps use top seller af auction jn October ? Ie, be The First with something New. And with 2 msres you can Pick netter match

Sorry fof Typung, on phone

What is Top Seller of Auction?? I don´t think we have something like this in Germany??

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=TrinitySporthorses;5703573]
While all your stallion choices are perfectly nice, I am not sure that any of them would offer a “guaranteed quick sale” (ok, we all know there is no such thing). I am sure the foals would be lovely, but because you are hoping for an easy and early sale, I would not use any of these stallions.

So far, Bennetton Dream has only had a few foals in the US and they have seemed to sell quickly BUT I believe many more people bred to him this year. He is readily available in the US via frozen. That said, however, I like him a lot and he would be my pick of the 3 you mentioned (as long as your girls aren’t real tall).

I think the other 2 guys, while excellent stallions, just wouldn’t have the instant and widespread name recognition you might want in this case.

Obviously, the most important thing is to make a good match with the individual mare you see in front of you. But if the stallion ALSO has a fan club over here, you would be better off. And looking at your lovely girls, I think they would produce excellent offspring with a number of different stallions!

Most of the stallions I can think of that don’t freeze well are Dutch, can anyone else help her out by naming German stallions that don’t freeze well and would be desired by Americans…?[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your kind post:) By the way I wouldn´t have any problems with Dutch horses either.
I love Bretton Woods and Bordeaux.

[lolita1]

I like Worldly but how is your market at the moment for chestnut? Here is a horse that I know nothing about or even if he is licensed etc but I liked him.

Duccio (by Dimaggio x Coriograf B) http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2011/07/02/austria-sends-two-horses-2011-world-young-horse-championships

Edited with a suggestion

[TrinitySporthorses]

If you think Bretton Woods is a good candidate for one of your girls, that could be another one that might sell well. His frozen was purchased by many peolpe this year (first year available) but so far has only resulted in 2 known pregnancies.
If it turns out that his frozen is very risky, I suspect some people will prefer to buy his babies than try for themselves.

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

[QUOTE=Manni01;5707362]
Thank you:) Damon Hill is a beautiful Stallion. But if I would use him I would have to use him with the mother of the Don Schufro filly. She is by Sandro Hit- Lotse- Modusxx and I think she goes perfekt with the Donnerhall line…

My fillys have both Don Schufro very close, and I´m not to familiar with linebreeding in horses. I only know the pros and cons in dogs…[/QUOTE]

No-I’m not suggesting linebreeding either! I was just giving a name of a stallion I know we don’t have easy access to here due to freezing issues without doing any pedigree research whatsoever (like I said, I don’t breed dressage horses, but he is one that caught my eye).

But it sounds like an interesting cross for the dam of your filly?!

Do you have pictures of your mares?

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=TrinitySporthorses;5710062]
If you think Bretton Woods is a good candidate for one of your girls, that could be another one that might sell well. His frozen was purchased by many peolpe this year (first year available) but so far has only resulted in 2 known pregnancies.
If it turns out that his frozen is very risky, I suspect some people will prefer to buy his babies than try for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Ok I know that he has Donnerhall back in his lines, but it is quite far away and he has some other lines which I really like. And I think he is really impressive (although I´m not a big fan of the way how he is presented…).
So he really might be something to keep in mind. There are still some months to come till I will have to make the decision but I think its better to start early.
I´m really thankful for all the very nice input from the Chronicle forum so far. I got some things to think over and really looked up some stallions I never thought about.
Thank you very much !!!

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=lolita1;5709734]
I like Worldly but how is your market at the moment for chestnut? Here is a horse that I know nothing about or even if he is licensed etc but I liked him.

Duccio (by Dimaggio x Coriograf B) http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/2011/07/02/austria-sends-two-horses-2011-world-young-horse-championships

Edited with a suggestion[/QUOTE]

I looked up his picture and he really looks lovely. I will try to keep track of him. Lets see how he does in Verden.
Thank you for this very nice suggestion!

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;5711515]
No-I’m not suggesting linebreeding either! I was just giving a name of a stallion I know we don’t have easy access to here due to freezing issues without doing any pedigree research whatsoever (like I said, I don’t breed dressage horses, but he is one that caught my eye).

But it sounds like an interesting cross for the dam of your filly?!

Do you have pictures of your mares?[/QUOTE]

Sorry I don´t have pictures but I have some videos…(
First my Blacky out of Sandro Hit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kdT1Q6R9Rg
(she is a little too small and very fat, but she is a lot of fun to ride…)

Then her 2008 Filly by Don Schufro as a yearling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAnaK86CWF0

Her 2009 filly also by Don Schufro with 1 1/2 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYP5kDkx_0

(I think Don Schufro was a very good match for her)

[Molly_Malone]

Two you might look at are Imperio and King Arthur. As far as I’m aware there are no Imperio progeny in the US (and only one or two EH Connery btw - there are 10 EH Buddenbrock kids). Imperio semen here is expensive and not easy to get. It might be a good choice IF you have the right mare. I don’t believe King Arthur is available frozen in the US.

Trakehners in the US are considered to be unsuitable for the Hunter world (the largest market). However, in both Dressage and Eventing they are highly sought after.

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Molly Malone;5711998]
Two you might look at are Imperio and King Arthur. As far as I’m aware there are no Imperio progeny in the US (and only one or two EH Connery btw - there are 10 EH Buddenbrock kids). Imperio semen here is expensive and not easy to get. It might be a good choice IF you have the right mare. I don’t believe King Arthur is available frozen in the US.

Trakehners in the US are considered to be unsuitable for the Hunter world (the largest market). However, in both Dressage and Eventing they are highly sought after.[/QUOTE]
Imperio is lovely!! He would be my choice out of King Arthur and him. Great, so I have another stallion to consider.

Thank you, I have not thought about him, as far as I know it is good to have xx back in the pedigree in the mare. Maybe it is too far back in the pedigree of my Don Schufro filly… I have to think about it…

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Molly Malone;5711998]
Two you might look at are Imperio and King Arthur. As far as I’m aware there are no Imperio progeny in the US (and only one or two EH Connery btw - there are 10 EH Buddenbrock kids). Imperio semen here is expensive and not easy to get. It might be a good choice IF you have the right mare. I don’t believe King Arthur is available frozen in the US.

Trakehners in the US are considered to be unsuitable for the Hunter world (the largest market). However, in both Dressage and Eventing they are highly sought after.[/QUOTE]
Thank you again for your suggestion:) I did a little research and found out that using Imperio might become quite a challenge due to his performance in dressage competitions.
We´ll see.

[Manni01]

Well I would be really willing to use Imperio, his performance in Aachen was nice though it was still a little bumpy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNLePMu8z5U
Just found this video and wanted to share…

[Manni01]

I´m still busy searching around. I´m a little doubtful to get Imperio for the next breeding season, so I focussed on his father Connery. IMO he would be a very good choice too. He has a lot of top offspring so far, so maybe even more proven then Imperio…

Also somebody recommended a stallion now supposed to be in the US His name is something like Chiffon… I only found a mare with this name, so maybe I spelled it wrong??..

[Molly_Malone]

Schiffon Ps Very nice stallion, his owner posts here

[stolensilver]

Have you looked at Uthopia? He recently scored over 80% in one of his first Grand Prix Specials. Barring injury he’s a definite for the Olympics next year. He is only available frozen but it does work very well. A friend has her Flemmingh mare in foal first try to him.

http://www.novamov.com/video/798bfm2byupxg

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Molly Malone;5726345]
Schiffon Ps Very nice stallion, his owner posts here[/QUOTE]

Thank you!! and sorry for my misspelling, he looks stunning, I just looked up his pictures

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;5726499]
Have you looked at Uthopia? He recently scored over 80% in one of his first Grand Prix Specials. Barring injury he’s a definite for the Olympics next year. He is only available frozen but it does work very well. A friend has her Flemmingh mare in foal first try to him.

http://www.novamov.com/video/798bfm2byupxg[/QUOTE]

I did admire him on Youtube!!! Thank you for mentioning him!!