Liberty Gold in person is MOST impressive. He is quiet, beautiful and moves great. It is a shame that he himself has not done more in the US to get the attention of US breeders or that they did not leave him in Germany for a few years as I know there were many there that were disappointed that they did not have a chance to breed to him.
[QUOTE=Dressa. Here are some of him as a 2 year old. No decent moving shots, which is too bad because he has a great trot!!!
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and his dam
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I just finished reading “The Forger’s Spell”.
It talks about, among many other things, people admiring certain artworks because of their knowledge of the price paid, as opposed to the intrinsic beauty of the actual pieces.
There is a real parallel here …why are so many stallions popular…is it because they were such fabulous competitors, because they have produced so many international horses…or something else???[/QUOTE]
This is such an important topic. I’ve been told, by people who should know, that at some auctions in Germany, including the stallion auctions, prices are manipulated. The published price is higher that what actually changes hands and the resultant hype is good for the buyer, seller and auction house. There is nothing to say the chosen one is the best horse, even if one can say what is best at 2.5 years of age. The purchase then goes on to score well at a 30 day test (also a subjective event run by someone who does it as a business and wouldn’t want to piss off a major player by scoring the high priced stallion poorly) and the MOs (and then subsequent foal buyers)flock to him.
One thing that makes me a bit skeptical of this conspiracy theory though, is how they would deal with the tax man with such a profit on the books! I suppose they could go ahead and pay the extra tax on the hyped price and figure it is the cost of doing business that is paid off in the first year of a 500 mare book.
Even if auction prices are totally legit, the effect it has to skew the gene pool in an entire breed is scary. Fad breeding is apparently the reason the VhW quit naming licensing champions and the official reason the Jockey Club still insists on live cover.
There is a recent thread with a list of stallion picks that exemplifies this problem very well.
To add an example of an underused stallion, Kevekko comes to mind since his obituary was just in the ISR/Old newsletter. He was an absolute dream at the 100 day test where I saw him and went on to show successfully in dressage.
Thanks for the kind words re Amorex…
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I totally agree w/this. I have never seen an Amorex kid that I did not covet, even the chestnut ones :lol:
Mary Beth McLean told me that when she hosted SWANA that they told her he was terribly underutilized and that she needed to look no further than right here in the states for a SW stallion to breed to.
If I die (or retire) without having had an Amorex I will be very, very regretful. He is the one horse that I have never been able to get out of my head.
STF, are you enjoying your Amorex kid?[/QUOTE]
Thank you–he really stamps the foals–I am having many clients with wins now and Lori Lauver’s Ari coming out at PSG. Really fun but I am behind on posting all the foals with ribbons!
Yea, I wonder about him. I know one Tantris offspring who really carts around his amateur owner at the lower level. But this 17hh horse is believed by all who have seen him to be a FEI/GP prospect. He’s magnificent…his passage is natural as is the power in his hind end…and that he carts around his 5’.0" owner so well speaks volumes of his character. I always wondered what else Tantris has sired.
You never hear anything about Graf Top II. He’s nicely bred.
Busy Bee, funny you should post that, I was just going to post about Graf Top II. I had a colt by him that I absolutely loved. Chestnut with tons of chrome, lovely mover.
I have had 3 by Pikadero, all destined for the hunters. He’s another stallion you don’t hear about anymore.
When I finally get my Amorex baby HIS name will be At Last :winkgrin:
I don’t hear much about Routiner or Winterprinz.
Routinier has for many years had the honor of being one of GOV’s top stallions for siring first premium offspring.
I have two Rudy kids and their temperaments are typical of the R line.
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Yea, I wonder about him. I know one Tantris offspring who really carts around his amateur owner at the lower level. But this 17hh horse is believed by all who have seen him to be a FEI/GP prospect. He’s magnificent…his passage is natural as is the power in his hind end…and that he carts around his 5’.0" owner so well speaks volumes of his character. I always wondered what else Tantris has sired.[/QUOTE]
Tantris’ owner told me last month that his offspring tend to be very kind and athletic and much liked by their owners. She just bought back one of his sons for herself and has several mares in foal to him for 2010. We have him in the Oldenburg auction again this year, so it’s a great opportunity to win a discounted breeding to him. His damline is hard to top here in N.A.
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Routinier has for many years had the honor of being one of GOV’s top stallions for siring first premium offspring.
I have two Rudy kids and their temperaments are typical of the R line.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and he is still at #2, although we are not seeing the same number of foals from him as in years past.
I have only been around a few Rudy offspring, but their temperaments were stellar - including a 4 y/o stallion who behaved like a peach even though he was at a strange barn for an inspection.
There’s a full page ad in the CDS magazine for Waterford.
Wolkenstein II =- Matcho -= Pik Koenig
1998 Stallion Licensing Champion and 1999 Stallion Testing Champion in Germany (1st of 36)
149.94 overall, dressage index of 154.48
He stands in California.
His ad says he is in the top 1% of all warmblood stallions for breed value in dressage by the WSBF.
He is competing at 3rd and 4th levels as of this last year.
The fate of horses bought as weanlings or yearlings
How many of the weanlings or yearlings that you sold have stayed with the person who bought them? How does this compare to young horses that are sold as greenies undersaddle?
I have a 10 month old that I am thinking about selling this year. He has not had a single ugly moment in his life and his full sister (now 22 months) never had a yak moment either. So I think he’s be easy to sell as a yearling. This guy has ALOT of talent, and I’m more worried about that because of where he might end up than I woud if he didn’t. I’d hate for him to fall into a situation where someone was only interested in him as a talent and not as a partner and companion. Seems more likely he’d get passed around.
So…that is the genesis of the question.
Kinston - Leslie Morse’s Grand Prix horse - is not much used though I suspect that may change when Brentina’s foal hits the ground this year.
I’ll add one to the list.
Radjah Z, standing at Flying One Ranch in SK. He is just a gem, direct son of Ramiro Z o/o Alme Z mare. He was imported to Canada later in his life after producing successfully in Europe, the Flyinge Stud owned him prior to his arrival here. His offspring speak for themselves, he has offspring at the olympic level, international level, approved sons standing in europe and quite a few international GP jumpers to his credit. Most people I meet have no idea about him, although they immediately recognize the breeding!
He might have been under utilized because previously his stud fee was $2500, lol.
I too LOVE Waterford! What a lovely boy. Here are some link to photos of him 
http://tamarawiththecamera.smugmug.com/Inspections/Oldenburg-NA-Inspection-SVE/5842678_7MYHr#362734538_JUEiD
http://tamarawiththecamera.smugmug.com/2009-Shows/CNDC-Dressage-Derby-2-June/8709985_MhqZD#597027973_rVxRy
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Galatois, by Galoubet, out of GP mare The Empress. Though hopefully people will be hearing more about him soon as he has a new breeding home with the owner of the late Alla C’Zar.[/QUOTE]
I lease a mare by Galatois and I love her! She is on the small side, but beautiful, good mover, wonderful jumper, and brave brave brave to the jumps.
A stallion that seems to be underused is Harvard. He’s in Canada. If he stood in the Europe I’d use him in a heartbeat. (How often do you hear that?! Its usually the other way round. )
