Another stallion I never hear anything about is Welfenkonig. He has a wonderful pedigree, scored over 120 on his stallion performance test, and on his dvd looks outstanding, yet I don’t see him used.
As far as Liberty Gold, I don’t think his underusage is totally the fault of mare-owner dismissal. His owners aren’t the easiest to get in touch with to get information, and his website, at least up through last year, hadn’t been updated for years.
3rd on Liberty Gold. We have a coming 2 year old colt who has the BEST brain and is beautiful to boot. Of course he is a fairly plain chestnut but he has a flaxen mane and tail that adds to his good looks.
http://www.hiltonfarm.com/liberty-gold/
The web site for Liberty Gold has been updated and it is quite nice.
Lots of video on it.
I’ve used a Hilton Farm stallion before, and I found Rodney, the manager, very accessible, and he always returned calls, and the office manager always returned emails. THat said - we are in the same state, I attend his inspections every year, and he has to live with me long after the semen is shipped.
The owners are the Fuchs, who live in Germany.
I know that Bob Orton is pretty high on a couple of Liberty Gold mares he has in the barn.
Chestnut is recessive, right? So if LG is bred to a non chestnut mare, you have 50% chance of chestnut.
I’d love a chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail.
I happen to like chestnuts with a lot of chrome. The first horse I bought in the late 70s was a redhead.
There is a stallion very closely related to LG. Forgot his name. Maybe at Hasslers?
OS, you are thinking of Locksley. His pedigree is similar to Liberty Gold’s.
Clint, yup, that’s him.
He also scored well in Germany.
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Chestnut is recessive, right? So if LG is bred to a non chestnut mare, you have 50% chance of chestnut. [/QUOTE]
Only if the non-chestnut mare carried a recessive chestnut gene. If she was homozygous for dark coats, you would have zero chance of getting a chestnut because her dark gene would override the red gene from LG.
Anyone have experience with Locksley? I tried to breed my (fertile, clean) mare to Liberty Gold, and she has resolutely refused to conceive. I still think he would have been an excellent cross for her.
I found Hilton Farm very good to work with, very helpful. Their breeding contract does require a new booking fee each year of the contract if the mare doesn’t get in foal. No problem if she catches the first season, but adds quite a bit to the fees if you try a couple of seasons.
Funny you should mention this. When my old mare Lucy wouldn’t conceive due to a persistent uterine infection, I sold my LG breeding (with Hilton’s permission) to people who were breeding him to palomino mares so they’d get matched palominos for a four-in-hand.
Also, I had very positive experiences with LG’s “people” as well as the vets and vet clinic that collected and shipped him.
I totally agree w/this. I have never seen an Amorex kid that I did not covet, even the chestnut ones :lol:
Mary Beth McLean told me that when she hosted SWANA that they told her he was terribly underutilized and that she needed to look no further than right here in the states for a SW stallion to breed to.
If I die (or retire) without having had an Amorex I will be very, very regretful. He is the one horse that I have never been able to get out of my head.
STF, are you enjoying your Amorex kid?
I just finished reading “The Forger’s Spell”.
It talks about, among many other things, people admiring certain artworks because of their knowledge of the price paid, as opposed to the intrinsic beauty of the actual pieces.
There is a real parallel here …why are so many stallions popular…is it because they were such fabulous competitors, because they have produced so many international horses…or something else???
I think that is a fascinating question. It seems like every year there is a batch of new, hot stallions who come along, and tried and true stallions become yesterday’s news, regardless of how qualified, gorgeous, etc. they are. I looked through the list of frozen semen prices for 2010 that SES just produced, and semen from some really grand stallions is very reasonable, yet the frozen from some who have just finished their testing is, in some cases, twice as much. I’m sure there are many factors involved with why some stallions are so popular, and I’m not sure that outstanding offspring is necessarily the primary one.
The new Hilton website is very nice 
Agree that Williams is under-used. He is a very sweet boy :yes:
EQTrainer, I am with you on Amorex. I have always admired him and do plan on using him in the not too distant future. Atleast I do have a mare that is a 1/2 sister to him (same dam) that I just LOVE! I don’t think I have seen a foal of his that I didn’t either. He really passes on a good strong topline.
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I bred my Selle Francais (SF/GOV approved) mare to Williams back in 2005. Williams definitely added size, a more active and powerful hind end, and a great temperament. My mare can be a bit opinionated, while her son has always been very laid back. I am very happy with the combination, but did not re-breed because I am content having just two horses right now. Also, I agree that Williams’ owner is great![/QUOTE]
Pictures please! 
The barn where I boarded for a while had the most gorgeous Liberty Gold filly - yes, all chestnut, not a speck of white, but dang, just gorgeous :yes: - I wanted to steal her and show her on the line (hunter breeding) she was (is? - I haven’t seen her for awhile) so perfect.
That Armand owned by STF is a doll.
The Hilton Farm website is much better.
I can’t say the video did much for me though. He is not very consistant in the contact, too much slow motion, and his canter is not the 9.5 I was expecting. He is a nice boy and I have no doubt that he is underused, but I wish he was presented better for his own sake.
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