What kind of temperament do his babies have? I’ve found a black 3yo Stedinger/Rubinstein baby. Can’t buy him quite yet; hoping his price does not go up too much before I can!
My sources in Germany tell me they are generally not horses for the average amateur as they are often quite spicy, sensitive, and can be somewhat shy as young foals, and many require a very good upbringing by skilled, sympathetic handlers and starters/riders.
Lots of folks will tell you their Stedinger foals have wonderful temperaments and they have had zero problems with them. And lots of other folks who say otherwise about their Stedinger foals (and even out of quiet mares). However, the gentle, kind, and willing nature of the Rubinstein bred horses could be a very good cross for Stedinger, although that cross also combines two highly sensitive lines.
At age 3, you should be able to get a pretty good idea of your horse’s temperament and character - and rideability/trainability if he has been started under saddle.
I have heard that you have to be careful with Stedinger offspring temperaments. You may be fine with one out of a Rubinstein mare, though. That being said, YankeeLawyer has 2 beautiful Stedinger colts out of her Hohenstein mare. I believe they have very good temperaments.
We have a 6 year old Stedinger x Weltmeyer x Donnerhall x Akzent II mare. She is an exceptional mover, very modern and has a lovely head and neck. Her personality is non- spooky but notices everything. We have taken her to a few new places and she is always very well mannered and respectful, that said she is highly sensitive. Not in a bad way, but it could be bad in the wrong hands. She is very tuned into her " person" and if you were’t aware of her sensitivity I could see how some could find it more challenging. I find it wonderful 
She also seems to be a one person horse … she is very affectionate with me and social but seems reserved and shy with new people.
I really love her! Best of luck to you!
I have a 4 year old Stedinger X Weltmeyer mare who is exactly as Dressage-Ryder and Down Yonder describe. They said it so well I have nothing more to add.
She is a super super horse, I am really enjoying her. A complex personality, and also smart, talented and athletic. Definitely needs a rider/handler who she is tuned in with, like Dressage-ryder said
dressage-ryder are there pics of your 6 year old on your website? I’d be curious to see her
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I have heard that you have to be careful with Stedinger offspring temperaments. You may be fine with one out of a Rubinstein mare, though. That being said, YankeeLawyer has 2 beautiful Stedinger colts out of her Hohenstein mare. I believe they have very good temperaments.[/QUOTE]
Thanks : )
My two colts are both very easy fellows, willing and eager to please. They were bold from Day 1 and they are always good about the farrier, vet, being bathed and handled generally, loading, etc. My yearling has been showing in-hand this summer and our only “issue” has been waking him up as he likes to nap soundly in his stall between classes and cannot understand what all of the fuss is about. He can be a little exuberant from time to time in the show ring, but comes right back when you ask him to because ultimately he is a very obedient horse. His younger brother is even flashier and sold to a top FEI rider at 7 days old. He also is a very confident and outgoing youngster.
That said, their dam has a superlative temperament and I think that she deserves some credit in that department.
Stedinger will typically add height, typiness, and improve the trot. My mare has a super walk and canter, which she passed onto her boys.
One thing to bear in mind is that foal temperament does not necessarily correlate to what you see once the horses are asked to do real work under saddle. Some lovely babies prove to have poor work ethics, or turn hot, once they are asked to do something they do not want to do, ad conversely, some tougher or spooky foals are fine under saddle.
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I have a 4 year old Stedinger X Weltmeyer mare who is exactly as Dressage-Ryder and Down Yonder describe. They said it so well I have nothing more to add.
She is a super super horse, I am really enjoying her. A complex personality, and also smart, talented and athletic. Definitely needs a rider/handler who she is tuned in with, like Dressage-ryder said[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Weltmeyer reputed to produce hot?
I think both Weltmeyer and Stedinger are said to produce hot from what I have heard and read
My 2 year old Londontime filly has the exact same lines on the bottom with Weltmeyer as she and my Stedinger mare are out of dams who are full sisters, and the difference in the 2 temperments of these 2 girls is HUGE. My Londontime X Weltmeyer is as you describe your boys to be, she is SO SO mellow, laid back, quiet, not a care in the world, completely unphased all the time.
So who knows…
No photos up yet… we have been really busy with showing and inspections so I haven’t done photos recently. Hopefully in the next week or so
Sensitive is okay with me; stupid or spooky is not though. I’m sooooooo tired of riding spooky horses. :no: This horse is already under saddle and by the time I could make it to see him will be under saddle a few more months (assuming he doesn’t sell first) so I would be able to see what I’m getting. I really like the Sandro Hit movement though…
I have bred two from my Weltbekannt/ Rubinstein I mare — a 2006 filly and 2007 colt. Both were rather timid and shy as very young foals. They were never difficult, just shy. They were well handled from the start and were quite normal in behavior by the time they were weaned.
They are both under saddle now. The filly is a bit more alert than her brother, but neither is spooky. They are both forward, nicely sensitive, eager to please. Neither would do well with a timid or tense rider, but with a confident rider with a decent seat they are very willing and happy partners.
Stedinger contributed modern type, a very strong topline, strong hip, longer legs. The mare is a very bold, confident mare who was a superb show horse. The stallion improved her trot a bit, she contributed a wonderful Marilyn Monroe walk. I will probably repeat the cross in the future.
I bred my FEI mare, Baronessa (Day Dream/Rubinstein), to Stedinger this year and I have a wonderful surrogate carrying her ET foal. I bred to Stedinger to hopefully add some length of leg, as well improve the canter. Baronessa is a pretty bold mare but very amateur friendly so I am hoping for a lovely foal from this pairing. Many Stedinger offspring have made a big and positive impression on me which is why, with all the wonderful stallions who would’ve made a good foal with Baronessa, I chose him to hopefully improve her very few faults.
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I bred my FEI mare, Baronessa (Day Dream/Rubinstein), to Stedinger this year and I have a wonderful surrogate carrying her ET foal. I bred to Stedinger to hopefully add some length of leg, as well improve the canter. Baronessa is a pretty bold mare but very amateur friendly so I am hoping for a lovely foal from this pairing. Many Stedinger offspring have made a big and positive impression on me which is why, with all the wonderful stallions who would’ve made a good foal with Baronessa, I chose him to hopefully improve her very few faults.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that is going to be a nice baby I still have not produced my Stedinger filly. Hint hint
I bred my Rubinstein mare to him this year. She’s 2.5 months along. But she and the foal could be in trouble. Rubi got colitis and now has laminitis. We’re trying to stay away from dmso. Anyway, I love Stedinger, love the jumping lines he brings to the table and I hope I get to enjoy a healthy baby next year. 
I have a 3yo Stedinger - Regulus mare. She has a full brother, older, who is under saddle.
She was a shy sensitive foal. She was rather standoffish about me. Last year she fractured her jaw and had some complications with it that required penicillin and Genacin shots. I thought she would HATE me and I would never be able to get near her. On the contrary, she was a perfect girl. I was able to give her the 2x daily pen shots without a helper (30cc each if I recall) and she let me tie her and stood stock still while I gave her daily IV shots of genacin. She let me flush out her wound and otherwise doctor on her. The vets would come out to do xrays and she stood stock still, no sedation, while they held the xray machine over her head, with a xray plate sandwiched between her halter and her jaw. No sedation. My vets are SO impressed with her temperament during her treatment. I was so impressed with her. If you are FB friends with me you probably read the chronicles of my treating this filly.
This spring I took her to an in-hand clinic with Gerd Zuther. She was really perfect for the clinic, stood in the arena in front of about 50 people and was quiet and well mannered. I was thrilled with her first outing.
Her older full brother I sold as a yearling. He’s doing fantastic under saddle, ridden by his A/A owner. When he was a yearling he too was very stand-offish about people
I definately think they need to be raised with care so they can mentally mature and blossom. I would definately breed to Stedinger again.
Back in the saddle…I hope your mare gets better soon! Thinking good thoughts here!
I have always loved Stedinger…and I have yet to see one of his offspring that isn’t gorgeous. Every year I contemplate breeding to him but the more offspring I see the more I worry about the walk. Did those of you that have used him use him on a mare with a very good walk?? If so, did he dilute that on your mare (Home again, I see that in your case he did not)? I have seen enough of them with insufficient walks (Status Quo comes to mind) and I wonder if the breeder just didn’t use a mare with a good walk or if Stedinger took away from the walk?.
My dream foal is a Stedinger from my Rosentau mare…except that her walk is not exceptional and that worries me enough to rethink the breeding.
The dam of my Stedinger colts has an excellent walk and she passes that along consistently so I have not encountered a problem there. I would favor a mare with a good walk for him. I think the issue with the walk is not so much a lack of a good four beat gait but rather that some of his youngsters lose a clear marching quality when they get tense. But typically if you can get the horse to relax and soften through the back and neck the walk is in fact good.
Donella, I would worry more about Quaterback with respect to the walk but you were able to manage that risk successfully.
I would use Stedinger with a mare with a very good walk. I agree 100% with YL that the problem is less that of a true pace and more of a possibility of tension that loses the marching quality at times. When he was only under saddle a few days, the 2nd Stedinger who is a big raw boned youngster at times harbored a bit of tension and the walk got a little dicey. Happily, my trainer had the depth to know to get the horse trotting and cantering and leave the walk alone until he found his rhythm and balance a bit. Now, 60+ days into training, his walk is fine - relaxed, forward and marching.
I have another Stedinger coming next year and I can hardly wait to see that one - an ET foal from Wolkenstanza. With her power and type and Stedinger’s power and type combined it might be something quite special. Fingers and toes crossed. :winkgrin:
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I have another Stedinger coming next year and I can hardly wait to see that one - an ET foal from Wolkenstanza. With her power and type and Stedinger’s power and type combined it might be something quite special. Fingers and toes crossed. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
That would be my dream combination. That little one is going to be super!
