The Blushing Groom pasterns come from John O’Gaunt through Wild Risk. Despite the pasterns, Wild Risk is one of the all time ever best lines for sport horses.
To get an idea of what lines are being used in Europe:
http://www.theirishfield.ie/pedigree-notes-aintree-and-the-weekends-blacktype-action-178767/
Thanks for the link Elles!
No surprise to see all the SW. Nice to see Mill Reef. Giants’ Causeway, well, we have a lot of that here and they are very nice. Always can tell a GC horse from a mile away.
Surprised to see the few Street Cry horses (but not Machiavellian) – but makes sense since Street Cry himself is IRE. He never struck me as having particularly sound get.
The Secretariat son, Class Secret is deceased, but sired a number of successful 'chasers and was also the damsire of some. I know Viney is not a Native Dancer fan, but I love the Jig Time line and his son (also deceased) Darn That Alarm sired several good chasers, included Darn Tip Alarm – who was outstanding! So you might look at those lines. I have a mare by Strong Performance - a full brother to Darn That Alarm - who is an excellent jumper, super bold and brave and great technique. She is tough on the flat, so maybe should have been a chaser! Her 1/2 brother is successful in eventing and has even done a “fun” puissance class at 5’3". I have their dam as well, who has some fabulous jumping lines (old TB lines). Jig Time and his sons as well as Native Dancer, had the “look” (to me) of a chaser –
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There is no question that Native Dancer lines produced jumping horses both here and in Europe. However, IMO, a little Native Dancer goes a long way.
Sir Shackleton looks like he could get steeplechase foals. He’s by Miswaki, out of Star de Naskra (and I know that i’ve seen that name recently in jumping or eventing forums). He earned over $1 million, was basically a miler, and set a NTR twice. Good looking and only $1K.
[QUOTE=candico;8286180]
Not sure who would be his best son, but Salutely by Hoist the Flag sired Saluter, a timber horse that won the Virginia Gold Cup a record six times. Salute the Truth is a well-known eventing son who stands at stud. Just a thought if you are specifically looking to breed for toughness and longevity.[/QUOTE]
Salute The Truth is a son of Salutely (registered as Boy Done Good with the Jockey Club). He has sired a couple of steeplechase horses, though his main book of mares is for eventing. His best race performer by far was Farah T Salute, bred by Jazz Napravnik. Another that trained with Jazz and raced over hurdles is Tatjana’s Salute. I know Jazz said she had high hopes for her, but I think she had a soft tissue injury and was retired before she won. These are really the only two racing babies I know of since he’s not generally used as a race sire. His babies tend to mature late (which, from what I understand is fairly common for Hoist the Flag horses) and are easy to handle and train. “Willy” is 20 this year which means that every year now we have to re-evaluate whether or not he gets retired - thankfully, this year he settled all but one mare on the first breeding and that one mare was an older maiden that the owner didn’t want to risk trying again. That gives us high hopes for next year. 
[QUOTE=camohn;8286248]
If anyone is interested in breeding to DWR I would do it quickly. He is at risk of being sold as far as I can tell because he has been standing to a small book recently plus the farm he stands at Northview PA is up for sale.[/QUOTE]
DWR is in Maryland, not PA.
I’d look at Marsh Side or Simmard who are both in (eastern) NY if you are concerned about proximity. Wrote (who is in FLA) looks like a very nice option and he was a very sharp youngster, so you might discover early if you have a nice one.
How have I never heard of Marsh Side before? http://i.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/pdfs/marshside.pdf What a wonderful pedigree, and an amazing female line. A Grade 1 winner of $2.3 million too! That’s a lot of distance breeding. Does he have eventer or jumps foals? He has a thread on pedigree query: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29595
Simmard too has a wonderful female family and won over $600K. And has Spectacular Bid as a broodmare sire.
[QUOTE=SPRINGBORO;8297294]
How have I never heard of Marsh Side before? http://i.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/pdfs/marshside.pdf What a wonderful pedigree, and an amazing female line. A Grade 1 winner of $2.3 million too! That’s a lot of distance breeding. Does he have eventer or jumps foals? He has a thread on pedigree query: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29595 [/QUOTE]
Not to mention the DISTANCE of some of his wins - up to 14f. His first year at stud was 2011, so it’s too early to see his foals (his oldest crop would be 3) making it into second careers yet.
Plus there aren’t that many of them - he had 17 live foals reported in 2012, 21 in 2013, and 12 in 2014. He covered 22 mares in 2014, down from 36 in 2012.
Finger Lakes Finest has a recent listing for Shamaly a 3yo son of Marsh Side. I think that he is from his sire’s first crop. Shamaly looks like a nice prospect.
I was going to give a shout out to Americain, but he looks like Calumet leased him to the Irish National Stud… http://www.calumetfarm.com/stallions/americain
Oh well.
Concern, by Broad Brush, sired Good Night Shirt, the two time Eclipse award steeplechaser.
Why does no one ever mention Broad Brush on threads like these? Am I the only fan? He has several sons standing.
Here is the leading jump racing sire list for 2014-15 for GB and Ire.
More than half those stallions were sired by Sadlers Wells.
Sadlers Wells himself sired winners of the Champion Hurdle, the Gold Cup and the Grand National.
[TABLE=“class: grid right, width: 635”]
[TR]
[TH][/TH]
[TH=“class: first left”]STALLION[/TH]
[TH]WINNERS-RUNNERS[/TH]
[TH]WINS[/TH]
[TH]RUNS[/TH]
[TH]£ WIN PRIZE[/TH]
[TH=“class: active activeDown”]£ TOTAL PRIZE[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD=“class: separatorSmall, colspan: 7”][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]King´s Theatre[/TD]
[TD]128-272 47%[/TD]
[TD]227[/TD]
[TD]1235[/TD]
[TD]£2,050,851[/TD]
[TD]£2,923,372[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Presenting[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]135-395 34%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]201[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]1517[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,380,047[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£2,210,496[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Milan[/TD]
[TD]96-310 31%[/TD]
[TD]153[/TD]
[TD]1243[/TD]
[TD]£1,450,433[/TD]
[TD]£2,102,412[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Oscar[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]100-300 33%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]150[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]1216[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,223,396[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,865,858[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Beneficial[/TD]
[TD]109-334 33%[/TD]
[TD]163[/TD]
[TD]1418[/TD]
[TD]£1,260,301[/TD]
[TD]£1,850,088[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Kayf Tara[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]88-283 31%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]128[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]1029[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,010,096[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,506,905[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Flemensfirth[/TD]
[TD]99-306 32%[/TD]
[TD]142[/TD]
[TD]1199[/TD]
[TD]£887,533[/TD]
[TD]£1,496,729[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Westerner[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]60-175 34%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]90[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]763[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£900,705[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,217,699[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Cloudings[/TD]
[TD]26-73 36%[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]302[/TD]
[TD]£927,383[/TD]
[TD]£1,026,899[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Old Vic[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]53-162 33%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]79[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]692[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£611,875[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£1,009,304[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Karinga Bay[/TD]
[TD]15-67 22%[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]278[/TD]
[TD]£522,716[/TD]
[TD]£668,399[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Shantou[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]33-93 35%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]55[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]397[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£372,758[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£665,041[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Dom Alco[/TD]
[TD]16-38 42%[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]£502,297[/TD]
[TD]£627,712[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Alflora[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]33-114 29%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]48[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]426[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£470,521[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£624,794[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Heron Island[/TD]
[TD]38-95 40%[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]379[/TD]
[TD]£430,579[/TD]
[TD]£587,941[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Gold Well[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]30-69 43%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]44[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]300[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£304,301[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£558,845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Definite Article[/TD]
[TD]45-125 36%[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]511[/TD]
[TD]£372,180[/TD]
[TD]£554,053[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Dubawi[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]9-23 39%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]13[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]79[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£479,079[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£536,870[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Midnight Legend[/TD]
[TD]50-133 38%[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]551[/TD]
[TD]£326,017[/TD]
[TD]£518,735[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Voix Du Nord[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]11-17 65%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]29[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]101[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£314,866[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£517,660[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Dr Massini[/TD]
[TD]33-102 32%[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]430[/TD]
[TD]£374,354[/TD]
[TD]£515,779[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Montjeu[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]17-49 35%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]30[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]225[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£290,044[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£491,304[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Network[/TD]
[TD]12-34 35%[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]147[/TD]
[TD]£135,141[/TD]
[TD]£485,216[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=“class: greyRow”]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left, bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]Gamut[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]14-51 27%[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]24[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]231[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£344,077[/TD]
[TD=“bgcolor: #F4F3EE”]£465,369[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD=“class: first left”]Saint Des Saints[/TD]
[TD]15-26 58%[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
[TD]£244,823[/TD]
[TD]£450,906[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The leading jumps sire for the last number of years in France, Poliglote, is also a Sadler’s Wells son.
Here are the top jump racing stallions for France for last year.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD=“width: 70”]1[/TD]
[TD=“width: 284”]POLIGLOTE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]MARTALINE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]SAINT DES SAINTS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]NETWORK[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]KAPGARDE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]CALIFET[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]NICKNAME[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]DOM ALCO[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]VOIX DU NORD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]BALLINGARRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]TURGEON[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]ASTARABAD[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]AL NAMIX[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]BALKO[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]ENRIQUE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]LE BALFIRE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]TREMPOLINO[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]COASTAL PATH[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]FRAGRANT MIX[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]SHOLOKHOV[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]DREAM WELL[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]CRILLON[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]SAGEBURG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]LAVIRCO[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]ASSESSOR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]SOLDIER OF FORTUNE[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]MUHTATHIR[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]GREAT PRETENDER[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]SMADOUN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]KHALKEVI[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]ROBIN DES CHAMPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Names you somtimes see in the pedigrees of European National Hunt horses are Indian Haven (Indian Ridge), Topanoora (Ahonoora), Definite Article (Indian Ridge), Compton Place (Indian Ridge), Nashamaa (Ahonoora), etc.
I think you have a number of stallions in the US with this type of blood, don’t you?
There is an article on the website Bloodstock - Racing Post named:
What now for the Byerley Turk sire line?
[QUOTE=Elles;8359081]
Names you somtimes see in the pedigrees of European National Hunt horses are Indian Haven (Indian Ridge), Topanoora (Ahonoora), Definite Article (Indian Ridge), Compton Place (Indian Ridge), Nashamaa (Ahonoora), etc.
I think you have a number of stallions in the US with this type of blood, don’t you?[/QUOTE]
I wish.
The tail male Herod line is nearly extinct in North America. As far as I know the only remaining stallions of the Indian Ridge/Ahonoora line are Legal Jousting, Final Row, and Ben’s Ridge (who doesn’t stand to the public). TF Classic Twist is tail male Herod through Bonne Nuit (3 times!).
Legal Jousting looks about perfect to me with also SW in his pedigree.
