Steeplechase stallions in the US?

[LookmaNohands]

I really don’t know much here but I had an eventer by Great Above.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/great+above

I remember seeing in a Chronicle list that Great Above was one of the leading sires of steeplechasers a while back. My horse looked every inch an upper level eventer or steeplechaser.

The Chronicle has a list of them in their steeplechasing issue.

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=LookmaNohands;8359782]
I really don’t know much here but I had an eventer by Great Above.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/great+above

I remember seeing in a Chronicle list that Great Above was one of the leading sires of steeplechasers a while back. My horse looked every inch an upper level eventer or steeplechaser.

The Chronicle has a list of them in their steeplechasing issue.[/QUOTE]

And still making his mark:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/choral+society4

Makes you wonder if some of the Holy Bull or Macho Uno sons could have untapped chasing potential. Giacomo anyone?

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8359812]
And still making his mark:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/choral+society4

Makes you wonder if some of the Holy Bull or Macho Uno sons could have untapped chasing potential. Giacomo anyone?[/QUOTE]

I’m sure having AA in his pedigree didn’t hurt either

[The_Blood_Bay_Mare]

I really, really like Legal Jousting. He’d also be an outcross for my mare, no inbreeding in the first 5 generations. And at half the stud fee of Wrote, too.

… another for the “pipe dreams” folder.

[Texarkana]

With your mare, I’d really try to stay Northern Dancer up top for any sort of racing. Double bonus if it’s through Storm Cat (like Giants Causeway). The Storm Cat/Damascus nick is incredibly prolific.

[Texarkana]

Although I realize I’m contradicting myself, as earlier I said ditch the pedigree worries. :lol:

I really do think breeding for steeplechasing is a crapshoot these days with the current state of the sport in this country. No doubt there are lines that lend themselves to it more than others, but at the end of the day they are all flat racing lines first and foremost.

One of my favorite things to do is to look at any random day’s results in the Racing Post and pull up the pedigrees of the winners. I seriously see some of the most obscure USA breeding winning over fences in Ireland, England, and France on a pretty regular basis.!

[zipperfoot]

[QUOTE=The Blood Bay Mare;8359843]
I really, really like Legal Jousting. He’d also be an outcross for my mare, no inbreeding in the first 5 generations. And at half the stud fee of Wrote, too.

… another for the “pipe dreams” folder.[/QUOTE]

I really like Legal Jousting too–sad that he’s so far away from me. Final Row is no slouch either–here’s a link with his pic and pedigree etc:
http://www.dallaskeen.com/stallions/finalrow.html

[Foxtrot_s]

Saddler’s Wells offspring can do it all. Grand National included.

H&H did a big article on him, if anyone can find it.

[weixiao]

[QUOTE=zipperfoot;8360189]
I really like Legal Jousting too–sad that he’s so far away from me. Final Row is no slouch either–here’s a link with his pic and pedigree etc:
http://www.dallaskeen.com/stallions/finalrow.html[/QUOTE]

Purely out of curiosity, what is it that draws you to Final Row? He obviously doesn’t have many foals on the ground, but out of the ones that are on the ground the vast majority either haven’t made it to the track or have less than 10 (or even less than 5) starts. He’s also very small at 15 hands. I think his pedigree is interesting and he’s fairly well put together it seems, despite some unflattering photography, but I’m not sure I see the draw and would like to see what you see!

[LookmaNohands]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8359812]
And still making his mark:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/choral+society4

Makes you wonder if some of the Holy Bull or Macho Uno sons could have untapped chasing potential. Giacomo anyone?[/QUOTE]

I love looking at the photo of Great Above. His head and neck looked so very much how my horse looked. He really stamped him.

[Elles]

http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricSires/JumpSires/JumpsiresBT.html
http://eventingnation.com/william-micklems-winning-formula-for-event-horse-breeding/

[QUOTE=The Blood Bay Mare;8359843]
I really, really like Legal Jousting. He’d also be an outcross for my mare, no inbreeding in the first 5 generations. And at half the stud fee of Wrote, too.

… another for the “pipe dreams” folder.[/QUOTE]

[SPRINGBORO]

Has anyone ever seen Proudinsky in person? His photo is hard for me to evaluate and I’d like other people’s thoughts. He has some wonderful German turf blood and hurdles in his pedigree. He won over a million dollars, too.

[beowulf]

For what it’s worth, I had a Delta Judge x Sing Sing horse that was an unbelievable jumper. At Stephi Baer’s we freejumped him (we maxed out her 6ft standards) and he outjumped every horse on the farm. I lost him before we could do too much past Training level, but I’ve noticed time and time again Sing Sing (and DJ descendants) can crack their backs O/F.

[The_Blood_Bay_Mare]

[QUOTE=Texarkana;8359872]
With your mare, I’d really try to stay Northern Dancer up top for any sort of racing. Double bonus if it’s through Storm Cat (like Giants Causeway). The Storm Cat/Damascus nick is incredibly prolific.[/QUOTE]

What do you think of this guy?

http://www.northweststud.com/horses/flashstorm-9752.html

He’s a son of Storm Cat standing at the same farm as Wrote, just noticed him.

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=The Blood Bay Mare;8360759]
What do you think of this guy?

http://www.northweststud.com/horses/flashstorm-9752.html

He’s a son of Storm Cat standing at the same farm as Wrote, just noticed him.[/QUOTE]

He’s not one I ever recall seeing before. He certainly is a good looking horse. He must pass that on to his foals, because the first thing that jumped out at me was how well his yearlings and two year olds sell as compared to his fee!

I think you could make compelling arguments both for or against his potential as a jump sire based on his pedigree. Take your pick.

[Texarkana]

Adding to the “compelling argument for” category, while not a Storm Cat son, here’s one off the Storm Cat male line who just won a 2 7/8 mile handicap chase in Ireland today:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/down+time2

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home.sd?horse_id=838099#topHorseTabs=horse_race_record&bottomHorseTabs=horse_form

When horses like that win, while I’m not totally surprised, I always wonder what made someone want to ship that horse to Ireland in the first place?

[K_2]

[QUOTE=The Blood Bay Mare;8359843]
I really, really like Legal Jousting. He’d also be an outcross for my mare, no inbreeding in the first 5 generations. And at half the stud fee of Wrote, too.

… another for the “pipe dreams” folder.[/QUOTE]

Aww, I really, really like him as well :love-struck:

He really is a cool horse, and I love him to bits, and it makes me smile when people appreciate his pedigree.

I don’t know if he would produce a steeplechase horse, although some of the horses in his female family have been tried over fences (hurdles, I believe). Most notable was Royal Diamond, a son of LJ’s half sister, who had a unremarkable career over fences, but was brought back to flat racing, and managed to win the Irish St. Leger.

With very limited opportunity, he has managed to produce a few reasonably good runners.

[zipperfoot]

[QUOTE=weixiao;8360391]
Purely out of curiosity, what is it that draws you to Final Row? He obviously doesn’t have many foals on the ground, but out of the ones that are on the ground the vast majority either haven’t made it to the track or have less than 10 (or even less than 5) starts. He’s also very small at 15 hands. I think his pedigree is interesting and he’s fairly well put together it seems, despite some unflattering photography, but I’m not sure I see the draw and would like to see what you see![/QUOTE]

Actually, when I posted this, I really wasn’t paying attention to his foals (my bad…). I don’t think he’s had much opportunity as a sire, as he doesn’t have the “trendy” bloodlines that breeders like. I do like that he’s tail male to Herod/BT, a rarity here in NA, and a line I think is worth preserving. I also like his conformation, at least as much as I can tell from his photo–maybe a little butt-high but not too bad. I’m not concerned about his height, IMO a good horse is a good horse regardless of height.

[Elles]

The small horse Amberleigh House won the grand national. I saw him and he was really small
I just read that he is or was 15.2 h.h…

[weixiao]

[QUOTE=zipperfoot;8362147]
Actually, when I posted this, I really wasn’t paying attention to his foals (my bad…). I don’t think he’s had much opportunity as a sire, as he doesn’t have the “trendy” bloodlines that breeders like. I do like that he’s tail male to Herod/BT, a rarity here in NA, and a line I think is worth preserving. I also like his conformation, at least as much as I can tell from his photo–maybe a little butt-high but not too bad. I’m not concerned about his height, IMO a good horse is a good horse regardless of height.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I appreciate it!