[QUOTE=SPRINGBORO;8360701]
Has anyone ever seen Proudinsky in person? His photo is hard for me to evaluate and I’d like other people’s thoughts. He has some wonderful German turf blood and hurdles in his pedigree. He won over a million dollars, too.[/QUOTE]
I saw him several times. While I wasn’t looking at him with an eye toward breeding, I recall him as nice looking, fairly long backed and evenly balanced. He was a very nice horse and one I would think could sire jumpers.
[QUOTE=Texarkana;8361176]
Adding to the “compelling argument for” category, while not a Storm Cat son, here’s one off the Storm Cat male line who just won a 2 7/8 mile handicap chase in Ireland today:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/down+time2
When horses like that win, while I’m not totally surprised, I always wonder what made someone want to ship that horse to Ireland in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Harlan’s Holiday has sired a few nice grass horses and he has a lot of stamina on the dam’s side. HH has been a reasonably good grass sire. There is enough breeding to think that the horse could route.
The same goes for Ahonoora offspring, these days he is showing up in a number of very nice eventing horses, among others Indian Mill.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/decoy+daddy
http://rathbarrystud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rathbarry_Stud_201301.pdf
http://www.ownerbreeder.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Complete-Databook-Feb-2013.pdf (Ruacana)
http://staging.thoroughbredinternet.com/pedigree.php?id=670868
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/golden-start-to-a-perfect-day-shared-archive/
One name which mustn’t be overlooked in Cape Cross’s pedigree is that of his broodmare sire Ahonoora. This handsome horse was the product of two very different performers. His sire Lorenzaccio was a middle-distance performer who became the villain of the piece by defeating the great Nijinsky on his final appearance in the Champion S. Ahonoora’s dam Helen Nichols, on the other hand, had been a very speedy member of a fast female line. Speed also proved to be Ahonoora’s principal asset but, as sometimes happens with horses of this type of background, his progeny enjoyed success over a wide range of distances.
Ahonoora even sired the 1992 Derby winner Dr Devious and Ahonoora’s high-class daughter Park Express became the dam of the 2008 Derby winner New Approach. Now, as the broodmare sire of Cape Cross, he also appears in the pedigrees of Sea the Stars, Australia and Golden Horn. This remarkable stallion also sired the dams of Azeri, Leroidesanimaux and the popular Irish stallion Acclamation, and it was one of his little-known grandsons who gave us the extraordinary Cirrus des Aigles.
Lorenzaccio sired very little of note apart from Ahonoora, just the Italian Group 1 winner Rolle and the good Australian colt Brewery Boy, but he also sired Golden Horn’s fourth dam Lora. This mare produced On the House, winner of the 1,000 Guineas and Sussex S. for Sir Philip Oppenheimer, father of Golden Horn’s owner-breeder Anthony. In sending Fleche d’Or to Cape Cross, Anthony Oppenheimer created 4×5 to Lorenzaccio.
Perhaps he was influenced by the contribution that Lorenzaccio’s sire Klairon had made to the fortunes of Golden Horn’s female line, which traces all the way back to the legendary Mumtaz Mahal. This is the branch descending from Sun Princess, who found fame as the dam of the stallion Royal Charger.
Klairon sired notable progeny from two of Sun Princess’ granddaughters. Mated to Courtessa, Klairon sired the King’s Stand S. winner D’Urberville and his sister Klairessa. Klairessa in turn became the dam of Habibti, one of the finest sprinting fillies ever seen in Europe. Mated to Margaret Ann, Klairon sired No Relation, a quick-maturing stakes winner.
Australian racing and breeding owe quite a debt to Klairessa and No Relation. Thanks to her daughters Eight Carat and Great Klaire, Klairessa has a long line of Group 1-winning Australian descendants, the most prolific being Horse of the Year Octagonal. No Relation, for her part, numbered the Golden Slipper winner Guineas and the successful sire Mossman among her descendants, Mossman being the sire of the 2014 Golden Slipper winner Mossfun.
[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;8360311]
Saddler’s Wells offspring can do it all. Grand National included.
H&H did a big article on him, if anyone can find it.[/QUOTE]
they’ve updated the pics for Vertiformer… he’s filled out nicely.
[QUOTE=SPRINGBORO;8391417]
they’ve updated the pics for Vertiformer… he’s filled out nicely.
http://www.ohiostallions.com/Vertiformer.html[/QUOTE]
Wow! I kinda want to send my mare to him now. What a family!
I can start my own line of steeplechasers. :lol:
Perfect Soul
I believe the owners are willing to do A.I. with Perfect Soul. You wouldn’t be able to race it, but if you’re just looking for an event mount…He’s by Sadlers Wells and there is some evidence on his web page that some of his progeny jump well.
[QUOTE=flofleming;8391664]
I believe the owners are willing to do A.I. with Perfect Soul. You wouldn’t be able to race it, but if you’re just looking for an event mount…He’s by Sadlers Wells and there is some evidence on his web page that some of his progeny jump well.[/QUOTE]
Darby Dan is super accommodating, but I’m really surprised to hear they’re willing to do AI with Perfect Soul. I’ve found they manage him pretty tightly.
If anyone were serious about breeding to Vertiformer, you can bid on a season to him starting at $500.
http://www.thoroughlybred.com/item-12021/VERTIFORMER-Stallion-Season
[QUOTE=SPRINGBORO;8440398]
If anyone were serious about breeding to Vertiformer, you can bid on a season to him starting at $500.
http://www.thoroughlybred.com/item-12021/VERTIFORMER-Stallion-Season[/QUOTE]
He’s in the TCA auction, too.
He’s actually towards the top of my list for one of my mares this year, so thanks for bringing him to my attention! The original Calumet pictures were so dreadful that I never investigated him further. 
I haven’t been here in ages but thought I’d chime in. Most of the old NH lines have disappeared. They’ve been injecting speed for years. If you’re looking at Wrote you need to be aware the High Chaps can be difficult. Also, yes High Chap does indeed carry the rabicano gene. When I was a regular poster I shared photos of my maximally expresses High Chap filly. Two popular TB stallions over here at the moment for Eventing breeders are Pontilliste by Giant’s Causeway and Emperor Augustus by Fusiachi Pegasus.
For anyone who used to follow my posts, one of my homebreds out of my Broken Hearted/Carlingford Castle/ Deep Run mare is with a pro in England. He’s just 6 this year and they think a lot of him. That breeding is impossible to find now. Very similar to the Grand National winning, Numbersixvalverde. I only bred Stella,back last year as people kept asking me at Monart what else the mare has for sale. You know, because I stopped breeding. Expecting a Royal Concorde baby at the end of April.
Terri
Do check out the Saddler’s Wells son - SW has had NH and Grand National wins from his offsprings’ offspring…and not just flukes, repeatedly.
Well he should. You can’t swing a dead cat in Ireland without hitting a SW’s stallion.
Terri
If nothing else comes out of this thread, I was the only bidder and won a season to Vertiformer. Maybe we can start a COTH steeplechase partnership for the resulting foal. Who wants in? :lol:
The cross certainly screams JUMP:
http://m.equineline.com/View.cfm/Product?drf=1455137&drg=T&srf=8027009&srg=T&p=4900&hypo
There was just another thread on how relatively “easy” it is to get your amateur jockey license through the NSA… I think I have a new goal on my bucket list.
Hey Tex, nice job! Is your mare really the 1994 Absolutely Amazing? She’s a nice stakes producing mare and a 1/2 sister to the outrageously named ISITINGOOD!
That’s her! Thanks! She’s actually full sister to him. Cautiously optimistic about the cross, because she has done a really good job of not getting in foal since I’ve owned her. I’ll keep trying so long as her health is good, as I really would like a foal out of her.
Do you need to borrow a Transworld filly or two to hypothetically breed? It would be a good time to cross out.
[QUOTE=Texarkana;8475532]
If nothing else comes out of this thread, I was the only bidder and won a season to Vertiformer. Maybe we can start a COTH steeplechase partnership for the resulting foal. Who wants in? :lol:
The cross certainly screams JUMP:
http://m.equineline.com/View.cfm/Product?drf=1455137&drg=T&srf=8027009&srg=T&p=4900&hypo
There was just another thread on how relatively “easy” it is to get your amateur jockey license through the NSA… I think I have a new goal on my bucket list.[/QUOTE]
That looks like a really interesting cross!
What is Vertiformer’s temperament like? Were the Rahy’s tough?
[QUOTE=ASB Stars;8476602]
That looks like a really interesting cross!
What is Vertiformer’s temperament like? Were the Rahy’s tough?[/QUOTE]
Thanks! From the digging I’ve done, I’ve heard good things about Vertiformer’s temperament, despite having a lot of tough blood behind him. There’s also a whole lot of class behind him with that female family. I have never seen him in person and his first foals are just hitting the ground this year, but I plan to go see him next week. I broke all my own rules purchasing the season, but when Springboro posted the new pics of him on this thread a couple months ago, I went and pulled the nicking with him and my mare out of curiosity. I’m sure glad I did that, because it seems no one renewed his subscriptions for 2016. It’s a strong cross on paper and he appears to have the physical type to compliment her. I’m excited. Now I just hope she catches.
Well Vertiformer is STUNNING! I love his uphill build, gorgeous head, beautiful angles to his hindquarters and hocks, and the laid back shoulder. He is an eyeful- and beautifully bred. I hope your mare cooperates!!
Tex, if you see him in person and love him, my tall girl might be up for a date next year. It’s an A nick and I’ll have a monster with his 17 hands and her 17.1!!
Her name is Crystal Glitter and she’s finally under saddle and truly the best horse I have ever owned.
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