[QUOTE=SPRINGBORO;8476956]
Tex, if you see him in person and love him, my tall girl might be up for a date next year. It’s an A nick and I’ll have a monster with his 17 hands and her 17.1!!
Her name is Crystal Glitter and she’s finally under saddle and truly the best horse I have ever owned.[/QUOTE]
I bet she is a looker! Are you in Florida? I’ll let you know if he’s worth the trip. 
Exciting! I’d love to hear what you think, too! I have him filed away as a someday maybe cross for a TB mare I have. I’d breed for an event horse, rather than a race horse, but I’d like to go full TB.
I don’t know if anybody has mentioned Noble Causeway yet.
I met him when he was standing in Texas. He’s a big strapping fellow who looked like you could throw a western saddle on him and he’d go push cows all day every day without breaking a sweat.
But.
His foals that I met were all event-types…tall, leggy, catty movement. One of the fillies had some float to her movement, too. They were obviously all related, and just as obviously all related to Theatrical. Noble Causeway is stamping his foals with his long-winded turf-running dam’s side, which is exactly what you’re looking for in a chaser.
One other thing about them is that they were all kind of hot. One filly was just plain hot and not an ammie ride, one filly was hot in the has a fit if she doesn’t know what you’re asking but as soon as she gets it will bend over backwards to make it happen sense, and a gelding was hot in the WOOOOO HOOOOOO EVERYTHING IS AWESOME sense.
Nobel Causeway recently died within the past couple years. 
My mare had a lovely foal by him who was one of the few I got to see in person and persuaded me to purchase her.
My guy was quite a good steeplechaser before I got him and he is now a dressage/event horse. His sire is Eastern Echo.
My horse is Jimmie Echo - winner of the 2006 Gladstone Hurdle. Currently schooling 2nd level dressage, and have evented through Novice (haven’t gone higher yet due to his owner being a chicken 
) He is incredibly athletic and built like a brick sh*t house!!!
Here is a pic (I’m so sorry about his “thing” - he is super proud of it)… not a great pic:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153477184612398&set=a.10150275856492398.351947.536652397&type=3&theater
You can’t fault the pedigree, the race record is decent; it’s that photo that leaves me underwhelmed. I wish they had a better conformation photo of him.
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Any thoughts on Narrative?
http://www.equine.com/stallions-at-stud/stallion-ad-3583714.html[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Samantha37;8479378]
My guy was quite a good steeplechaser before I got him and he is now a dressage/event horse. His sire is Eastern Echo.
My horse is Jimmie Echo - winner of the 2006 Gladstone Hurdle. Currently schooling 2nd level dressage, and have evented through Novice (haven’t gone higher yet due to his owner being a chicken ) He is incredibly athletic and built like a brick sh*t house!!!
Here is a pic (I’m so sorry about his “thing” - he is super proud of it)… not a great pic:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153477184612398&set=a.10150275856492398.351947.536652397&type=3&theater[/QUOTE]
Picture doesn’t work for me, but I do really love Eastern Echo. I had quite a number of his get when I lived/worked in Maryland, including one of my favorite horses of all time. I believe Eastern Echo is also deceased now, I think he passed while I was still in the area.
I pulled up your guys record and he had quite the interesting racing career, going back and forth between racing on the flat and over fences!
Texarkana,
If you get up to Ohio to Vertiformer, would you be kind enough to look at Favorite Bid? I am interested in that line. The Stallion Mgr. there has been very good to correspond with, but I’d like to see how he moves.
Nancy
Update: just got an invitation for the open house and stallion presentation at 2:00 1/16 at Poplar Creek Texarkana. Let me know if you are going to attend.
NMK: That’s why I’m going up- for the open house!
NMK did you end up going?
I went up. Vertiformer was as nice as his pictures. His temperament seemed quite good as well. All of their stallions were mannerly and interactive (in a good way) with the crowd in the barn aisle.
But since I’ve found this thread so interesting, I just wanted to mention another Ohio sire, Twinspired (in case anyone is still looking for steeplechase sires). He is incredibly nice: correct, balanced, tons of bone, and a huge walk. More of a speedster’s build, but definitely athletic looking. And by Harlan’s Holiday out of an El Prado mare-- certainly lines that successfully crop up in jump racing more than average. I can’t believe they don’t have a conformation picture up of him. I had seen a handful of photos of him in the past when he was younger, but he’s really filled out a lot and left a favorable impression.
I enjoyed reading this thread. I don’t know whether anyone has looked at these dated links but they might be helpful.
http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricSires/JumpSiresIndex.html
http://www.equiery.com/archives/Steeplechase/LeadingSires.html
My experience is that most chasers are on their second career so I agree that breeding is somewhat of a gamble.
I would also suggest looking at the pedigrees of these horses to get an idea about which ancestors work best: https://www.google.nl/search?q=grand+steeple+chase+de+paris+milord+thomas&biw=1280&bih=752&prmd=ivmn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV8qnrmbHKAhXE_Q4KHeQ7BEYQ_AUIBigB
Take, for instance, the winner of the 2015 Grand Steeplechase de Paris–Milord Thomas. His pedigree is almost a paradigm of Steeplechase breeding.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/milord+thomas
Or the third place horse: http://www.pedigreequery.com/shannon+rock
There is a huge amount of American breeding in both pedigrees. Just not from lines that have dominated racing here recently.
[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8487644]
I enjoyed reading this thread. I don’t know whether anyone has looked at these dated links but they might be helpful.
http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricSires/JumpSiresIndex.html
http://www.equiery.com/archives/Steeplechase/LeadingSires.html
My experience is that most chasers are on their second career so I agree that breeding is somewhat of a gamble.[/QUOTE]
While that is certainly true in the US, in Ireland, France and to a lesser extent England the jumpers are often purpose bred.
Up until the economic crisis of 8 years ago, there were as many NH bred foals in Ireland every year as flat bred (high-end flat breeding was more insulated from economic woes that NH breeding, hence the sharp decline in NH breds), and the number of NH breds is on the rise again.
Of the 216 TB stallions in Ireland with registered foals, 98 were considered Flat sires, 95 NH sires and 23 were considered “Dual Purpose”.
When you factor in AQPS horses, it’s possible that France might be producing as many jump bred foals as flat bred foals too.
Btw, some of the top NH stallions cover huge books of mares, well into the 200-300 range. They can cover later into the season because the offspring won’t race till they are 4yos, so a summer foal is not the handicap it would be in flat racing.
I just discovered that the Europeans have a category of race called Cross Country Chase. The length in the French races that I saw is from 6000 meters to 7300 meters. http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/-story-265615
Eventers should be interested in horses and their breeding who can run those races.
There is a video of the Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase at Cheltenham last years. Lots of drop fences on the course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBU3r2cTwZk
And here’s one from the 7300 meter French race–the Anjou-Loire Challenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgo6fcgEiQA
This is kind of interesting. Linamix was an extremely good chaser sire. One of his sons, named Golden Marvel, chased in the US and did quite well. He was then bought (?) by the Wertheimers and went (back?) to France where he did rather well as a top level chaser. Importing chase bred chasers to the US where they do much better in lesser competition is not infrequent these days, but going the other direction IS.
Golden Marvel started his career in France, where he raced on the flat. He was imported to the US at the end of his 3yo season. He raced on the flat in the US during his 4yo year, making little impression. He was then sent chasing as a 5yo.
He never went back to France as far as I can tell.
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