On the CoTH boards, if not this very thread, Tonalist’s people have been praised for not taking the bait when Costas accosted them in the winner’s circle with a microphone. So when someone offends them and they take the high road, that’s good.
But on the boards here, we don’t have to? You are rude to me, so I have every right to respond in turn?
Wouldn’t that attitude will just take the whole place down a rat hole?
Shouldn’t we all emulate the good examples of others, and not the bad?
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Looked it up. The Display Handicap, aka The New York Handicap, was a race for 3 year olds and up, run at 2.25 miles. Named for a son of Man O’War. … [/QUOTE]
Display was a son of Fair Play, not Man O’ War.
Notice I said I will be glad when they go away because they will go away. I never said I wanted people to go away, just that they will and I look forward to that day because they seem to only want to spout opinions and not listen or learn. How many times have we corrected misperceptions yet they are still being spouted? I have no time for closed minds regardless of the subject. If that is rude, so be it. Sometimes the shoe fits.
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I think we should start a petition to just get rid of the Preakness and Belmont altogether and rename the Derby “The Triple Crown”, that way whatever horse wins the Derby wins The Triple Crown.[/QUOTE]
Or just make up a brand new G1 stakes race and call it The Triple Crown.
That way we can have a Triple Crown winner every year!
[QUOTE=BlueLodge;7620911]
He didn’t have a point. drdmv1 is right:
The 1st and 2nd in today’s Belmont ran 1st and 2nd in the Peter Pan Stakes.
The Peter Pan is a traditional prep race for the Belmont.
AP Indy, Coastal, Danzig Connection, Cavan are several horses off the top of my head that won the Peter Pan and then went on to win the Belmont. There have been loads of others that either won or placed in the Peter Pan and then placed in the Belmont.
The Peter Pan is a traditional prep for the Belmont.
You guys seem to have absolutely no sense of history about horse racing.
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Thank you for voicing your opinion of other’s opinions. The intent of my post was that regardless of Mr. Coburn’s opinion, there is a time and place and manner to express it. Mr. Coburn may have had a point to his remarks, which many have either agreed or disagreed with, as noted in this thread. Shaking my head…
Does anyone else just love Tonalist’s letter of apology over at www.horsecollaborative.com?:lol:
The Triple Crown races are fine just as they are. The question should be, why aren’t horses being bred for courses here in the USA? Breed to run distance as well as for speed. Like the old breeders used to do.
Windsor1, I think the idea of linking the races is dumb, but I didn’t call any people dumb. That is the difference.
I agree, lengthen the time between races and breed for distance as well as speed.
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Windsor1, I think the idea of linking the races is dumb, but I didn’t call any people dumb. That is the difference.[/QUOTE]
From my post:
(I realize that you didn’t say that the supporters of that idea are “dumb,” but I don’t believe anyone else here said that either, unless I missed it. Ignorant, yes, but not dumb.)
No chance of this, but how about making all three races G1s for four year olds?
Maybe we’d see less racing at two.
Instead of horses that win two of the three TC races (especially those that win the Derby and Preakness and then “fail” the Belmont) ridiculously earning some kind of loser label (CC was proclaimed a fallen hero quickly), shouldn’t we just have a Double Crown? It’s hard enough to win two of those races, for heaven’s sake.
[QUOTE=BlueLodge;7624085]
Instead of horses that win two of the three TC races (especially those that win the Derby and Preakness and then “fail” the Belmont) ridiculously earning some kind of loser label (CC was proclaimed a fallen hero quickly), shouldn’t we just have a Double Crown? It’s hard enough to win two of those races, for heaven’s sake.[/QUOTE]
Hear, hear!!! I wish Mine That Bird would have been shown the respect he deserved. He was 1, 2, 3 in the triple crown series. When he came in fourth in the VA Derby many people started saying he was trash. I still don’t believe he gets proper respect. That little guy was a great race horse. I think the breathing/throat issue was a shame, I had hoped to see him run for several more years.
Some of the recent comments remind me of an interview that took place a few years ago.
A reporter was interviewing a tennis star (don’t recall who) and said: “how does it feel to have lost the event and your #1 spot in the world?”
The tennis star responded by saying “If you were in a competition for the best journalist and you came in second out of all the reporters in the world, how would you feel?” The reporter fell for it and said: “oh, I would be thrilled” (or something to that effect)
The tennis guy continued by saying that is how he felt, happy that he had achieved #2 status.
So many times the focus is solely on winning to the point where anything less is considered a failure. As someone pointed out, even winning 2 of the 3 races is an achievement.
Hi All,
The reason that the Triple Crown is run for three year-olds is (drumroll please)… tradition.
The reason we’ve lost all sanity in breeding long distance runners is everyone wants early speed. Breeders and owners have turned into speed freaks breeding for two year-old speed. This is due to the economics of the industry. No one wants to feed these youngsters for an extra year or two, or they can’t afford to.
When we decided to race our Malibu Moon filly, ‘Xena’, we waited until she was four years-old. She was way too big to send to the track at two, much less three. We were lucky we could do this, and everyone told us we were crazy to wait. The waiting paid off - she had heart and was a winner.
Hallie
I agree with this - breeding needs to be rethought. Glad you were lucky enough to be able to wait.
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Hi All,
The reason that the Triple Crown is run for three year-olds is (drumroll please)… tradition.
The reason we’ve lost all sanity in breeding long distance runners is everyone wants early speed. Breeders and owners have turned into speed freaks breeding for two year-old speed. This is due to the economics of the industry. No one wants to feed these youngsters for an extra year or two, or they can’t afford to.
When we decided to race our Malibu Moon filly, ‘Xena’, we waited until she was four years-old. She was way too big to send to the track at two, much less three. We were lucky we could do this, and everyone told us we were crazy to wait. The waiting paid off - she had heart and was a winner.
Hallie[/QUOTE]
“” …
So many times the focus is solely on winning to the point where anything less is considered a failure. As someone pointed out, even winning 2 of the 3 races is an achievement.[/QUOTE]"
True in so many areas today, not just racing.
[QUOTE=Howlin’Wolf;7623215]
Display was a son of Fair Play, not Man O’ War.[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely right. Typing too fast. Meant to put “a son of the sire of Man O’War.”
Good article Blue lodge Thanks for posting!
[QUOTE=haligator;7624348]
Hi All,
When we decided to race our Malibu Moon filly, ‘Xena’, we waited until she was four years-old. She was way too big to send to the track at two, much less three. We were lucky we could do this, and everyone told us we were crazy to wait. The waiting paid off - she had heart and was a winner.
Hallie[/QUOTE]
As I mentioned above, you and Zenyatta’s owners, at least, seem to be following somewhat the same track: She was 3years 8mos. at her first race. But, I suppose if you own/run A & M Records, you can afford to wait. Still, a good policy, and good for you!
A local trainer I knew years ago had a HUGE three year old, whom the owners were pressing him to race - often. And this was just a fair circuit horse - not a million+ horse as a yearling, so the pressure was really on. He finally caved, but only to the extent that he put him in an allowance race, told the jockey to just let the horse find his own pace and see what happened. The horse cheerfully galloped in dead last by many lengths, and the trainer was able to convince the owners to sell him as a saddle horse. He had a long and happy life as a low-level eventer. (And he wasn’t asked to jump a fence until he was nearly 5)
tially, formerly, I was against changing the format;but, since I now that I have known a colt who, raced in all three races; Lazy Lanes’ “Chilito” I watched each week become more and more sore al over" his body; It does seem to require a "horse of steel complete all 3 races ; POIOH; It does make the accomplishment pf the Triple Crown winners even more remarkable!
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