Don’t forget Kentucky Road( Tim Tam) Sham (Secretariat" Alydar) Affirmed Each of these horses would have won the TC u=n their own:yes: right; but, had the misfortune :no:to be born in the “wrong year:confused:”
Don’t forget Kentucky Pride( Tim TTam) T Tam); Alydar ( (Affirmed) in any other year they would have been TC winners in their own right!
Why should the races be spaced out? 40 years ago, horses could handle it. The problem isn’t the races or the time between them (although I do think the ridiculously large Derby field is a problem). The problem is the horses. Breeding should be producing BETTER horses… not just horses who are fast as 2 year olds and early 3 year olds, but horses who are fast AND last.
Stop trying to change the races to fit the horses. Breed horses who can handle the races.
If I were rich, I’d create a new Triple Crown with bigger purses, but make it for 4 year olds. (I realize it wouldn’t actually be the “Triple Crown”, but 3 individual races, each of which has a very large purse, and a bonus for the horse who wins all 3.)
This thread is so all over the place. Some want to restrict the races so we get a walkover triple crown winner every year, some want to space them out so we get more horses to enter. Some want to do both but for four year olds. The triple crown is probably the only thing in horse racing that is actually working as it is or we wouldn’t be having this conversation because nobody would care just like nobody cares about any other races.
Why do we have to have a Triple Crown winner?
There’s plenty of great races all year long to watch if you are into racing. I’m thinking most of these people aren’t really into racing.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7627559]
This thread is so all over the place. Some want to restrict the races so we get a walkover triple crown winner every year, some want to space them out so we get more horses to enter. Some want to do both but for four year olds. The triple crown is probably the only thing in horse racing that is actually working as it is or we wouldn’t be having this conversation because nobody would care just like nobody cares about any other races.[/QUOTE]
I vote we leave the Triple Crown exactly as is.
Me, too. It’s supposed to be tough. There is nothing wrong with a horse that has ‘only’ won the Derby or the Preakness or the Belmont, each is a big achievement in its own right. Somebody sooner or later will get all three, so many have been so close and in the end a little racing luck is needed.
If you think about it, there really are no good reasons to change it. What difference does it make if there is no TC winner for however many years?
And if it were changed, then you might as well rename it since the new winners wouldn’t be comparable to the historical ones.
[QUOTE=Lori B;7623113]
I wonder how many of the folks who express a desire for those who know less about racing to go away are people who, the other 364 days of the year, complain about the failing fortunes of the race industry…
If racing were to become more popular, there is not going to be a training class and entrance exam at the track gates for new fans. The correct answer, for those of you who make any part of your livelihood through thoroughbred racing, is to graciously disagree with foolish and/or inflammatory statements by newbies and keep smiling. Unless you want them to just go away so you can continue to preside over your dwindling club of cognoscenti.
See how you can say that without telling people they are stoopit?[/QUOTE]
“Failing fortunes of the race industry.” Did not realize this was the case, but now can see why.
I live approx. 2 miles from Boston and was going to ask if Suffolk Downs was worth the drive, as I’ve never seen a race in person.
Now I’ll certainly cross that off my “Summer- Things to do List”.
If the rest of the folks in the Racing industry are as insulting, demeaning, and of closed minded snobbery, as I’ve encountered on this Forum, they won’t get a cent of my money.
As the other Forums on COTH can be tough, at least they make an attempt to answer questions to newbies of that discipline. Not mock and insult them.
Yes, LoriB - “Stoopit” is just as low class. So now you can see why people would be so turned off to your discipline.
Being in the horse world most of my life, IMO, the one’s who boast and insult other’s the most, are usually a sign of their own insecurities and lack of accomplishments.
Which leads me to again to ask Laurierace, (as she couldn’t answer my question the first time) What have you bred, trained, or ridden that has won a major Stakes race? Remember: Talk IS cheap. 
And from what I’ve seen and read, the Bob Baffert trainers in the industry seem like they work around the clock. Not sit on a Horse Forum practically 24/7. No need to respond, as I won’t waste my time on this Forum again.
Don’t let the door hit you in the hiney.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7634116]
Don’t let the door hit you in the hiney.[/QUOTE]
That was just rude.
So is demanding to see my resume before voicing my opinion.
Halter Alter - you are so right
We owned and co-owned a few race horses around 2006-2009. This forum was one of the rudest places to go and ask questions or voice an opinion.
Got out of it about as fast as we were in for various reasons, but one was you never felt welcome on the track or on this forum.
The reason that some of those people that claim to have spent a lifetime around horses yet have logged no time with actual racehorses feel unwelcome at the track is because they come in guns a blazin’ with the idea that they know more than everyone else. I’ve seen the kind many a time; they stupidly pass over and attempt to degrade some amazing horsemen due to their outward unconventional appearances, then wonder why nobody on the backside takes them seriously. Those of us who have been on the backside long enough have seen it all before; they all say the same crap and they never can last. Oh, and it is always someone else’s fault, of course. snort
[QUOTE=Halter Alter;7633963]
“Failing fortunes of the race industry.” Did not realize this was the case, but now can see why.
I live approx. 2 miles from Boston and was going to ask if Suffolk Downs was worth the drive, as I’ve never seen a race in person.
Now I’ll certainly cross that off my “Summer- Things to do List”.
If the rest of the folks in the Racing industry are as insulting, demeaning, and of closed minded snobbery, as I’ve encountered on this Forum, they won’t get a cent of my money.
As the other Forums on COTH can be tough, at least they make an attempt to answer questions to newbies of that discipline. Not mock and insult them.
Yes, LoriB - “Stoopit” is just as low class. So now you can see why people would be so turned off to your discipline.
Being in the horse world most of my life, IMO, the one’s who boast and insult other’s the most, are usually a sign of their own insecurities and lack of accomplishments.
Which leads me to again to ask Laurierace, (as she couldn’t answer my question the first time) What have you bred, trained, or ridden that has won a major Stakes race? Remember: Talk IS cheap.
And from what I’ve seen and read, the Bob Baffert trainers in the industry seem like they work around the clock. Not sit on a Horse Forum practically 24/7. No need to respond, as I won’t waste my time on this Forum again.[/QUOTE]
I see nothing wrong with asking for someone’s back ground and expertise so as to qualify their comments. I know I did not “write the book” it will never be finished. Only constantly “updated” and I would like to think that I help in my small way in that respect.
I have spent my entire life with horses. Grew up in a generational horse family. Show/sport but mostly racing. It is my work, career and way of life. I have been very fortune to have made a decent living at and it has taken me all over the world. I have worn just about every “hat” in the business and working with Thoroughbreds. Some people are content with just being a big/small fish in their “local pond” I chose to swim in the ocean of the industry. My name is not “household” but is know to those that “matter”.
I find it interesting that the majority of people that post give little to no back ground information. A lot don’t give the general location of where they are commenting from. I wish they would only because it is interesting to read how people view “all things horse” based on where they live, geographic location.
“If the rest of the folks in the Racing industry are as insulting, demeaning, and of closed minded snobbery, as I’ve encountered on this Forum, they won’t get a cent of my money”.
They aren’t by and large. I have found some horse people regardless of the discipline can fall into the above.
I don’t have a lot of “free time” having a fairly big operation and to make the numbers work my days are long, all 365 year in year out. But I enjoy taking the time when I have it to answer questions and pass on my experiences and or understanding of “all things horses”. What I have to say and or comment on is not gospel and I almost always use, IMO, and IME. Along with “to each their own”.
If I ever come off as “insulting, demeaning, and of closed minded snobbery” feel free to slap me down. I can be that way from time to time in conversations as my wife points out occasionally. Which is why I like the forums. I can compose, read and make changes before hitting the “submit button”. Much easier to extract one’s foot from mouth.
I encourage more people to ask as many questions as they want. DO NOT worry about a question being stupid or “laymen”. Dismiss the bullies. There are a few of us who know what we are talking about and are happy to answer any and all.
Open invitation to anyone to PM or email me direct with any and all questions. My direct email is given on my home page. Address and telephone numbers incase someone wants to blast me, take exception to my comments vocally.
If I am commenting be prepared for a long read. Sorry I am just not the good at being concise. IMO there are not many short answers to short questions when it comes to horses.
I dislike quips and don’t have the time nor interest to use the forum as a gossip or chat room.
I think it was a fair question to ask Laurierace her back ground as a trainer. So here is a link to Owner View that gives the training records of anybody that has been licensed.
I don’t think a person should be dismissed because they do not have an extensive record but it does help qualify their comments to a certain extent. IMO experiance there are far more “top” horseman in the racing world that have never been licensed then there are “top” trainers.
https://www.ownerview.com/trainer/te-119278/laurie-mcdowell
Lunch break over back to the “real world” of horses.
[QUOTE=Pat Ness;7634686]
We owned and co-owned a few race horses around 2006-2009. This forum was one of the rudest places to go and ask questions or voice an opinion.
Got out of it about as fast as we were in for various reasons, but one was you never felt welcome on the track or on this forum.[/QUOTE]
It really upsets me when I hear this. Unfortunately I hear it far too often at times. My life long mantra to trainers, breeders, employees, vets and service providers, myself included; Please remember, NO ONE NEEDS A HORSE. No one needs what you and I do.
I tell trainers who I put our partnership horses with they have to make it fun. They have to put up with questions and pesky phone calls. It is part of the job description these days. You have to make the entire process enjoyable especially loosing. Because that is what most horses do.
I will not hire a trainer or any service provider not matter how good they are or perceived to be that has an attitude and acts like they are doing me a favor by taking my money.
I would rather read the posts by someone who has a working knowledge of the sport of racing. Experience is knowledge. It does not matter to me whether a trainer has had a G1 winner or a claimed race winner. I tend to dismiss the views and opinions of others that are full of vitriol like those aimed at laurierace. She is one of the few on this forum who answers my questions and I learn something from all of her posts.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. IMO it is better to have an educated opinion than to state an opinion that has little to no merit. JMV
[QUOTE=Laurierace;7634556]
So is demanding to see my resume before voicing my opinion.[/QUOTE]
If the subtext of this thread was that the opinions of people who were “only fans” didn’t count–and it was–then those people have every right to ask to see your resume since you were already passing judgement on theirs.
LaurieB, I don’t know why you are taking issue with me, since I am pointing out how foolish it is to turn away potential fans of racing who want to converse here, whether their opinions seem well informed or not. I am mocking those who seem to want to keep horse sports a private preserve for the already knowledgeable.
And racing is not ‘my discipline’. I owned an ex-racer, now deceased, for several years, but am just an interested spectator and pleasure rider. I make no claims to special expertise or even a stake in the success of racing.
There sure are a lot of people named Laurie/Lori on this thread
Yes and the B’s in the mix make it even more confusing!
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