Storm Cat to cover QH mares via AI

[ArtilleryHill]

This from the Racing Post. You’ll have to register to read it, unfortunately, but I think registration is still free.

http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/home.sd?story=84443

Excerpt:

Storm cat’s fee for Quarter Horse mares will be $20,000.

Overbrook Farm stallion manager Ric Waldman told the Thoroughbred Daily News: “Storm cat does breed speed and precocity, and I think what’s improtant to Quarter Horse breeders is an outcross to their bloodlines, many of which are the same, the result of many years of worse inbreeding than what we’ve perhaps experienced in the thoroughbred industry. So I think the top Quarter Horse breeders will welcome a stallion of the notoriety of Storm Cat.”

He added that, although the breeding would take place through artificial insemination, Storm Cat’s book of Quarter Horse mares would not be too big.

“You may not see the large numbers you think you might see with artificial insemination but maybe there will be 15 to 20 mares that will get covered by him. Or I hope that many.”

[hitchinmygetalong]

Thanks for the heads up. Here’s the TB Times article

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/breeding-news/2009/January/16/Storm-Cat-to-be-offered-to-Quarter-Horse-mares.aspx

[Las_Olas]

So, I wonder if the AQHA will give Storm Cat his ROM and place him in the main studbook with a set of white papers. That would be interesting. I think then you could breed a yellow papered QH mare to him and have, essentially, a TB.

Been a long time since I’ve owned a QH, so I’m not up on their rules. Does anyone know if you can breed a TB mare that has yellow AQHA papers to a white papered ROM stallion? The result would be 100% TB blood?

[Beezer]

Based on my admittedly old and faulty memory, I think any foal by SC would go into the appendix book. I think the AQHA, like the Paint people, adopted a “one parent” rule, by which one of the parents has to be in the main book. Enacted because all those pesky sabino TBs kept winning all the hunt seat classes.

[Jessi_P]

Beezer are you saying that to be registered by the APHA the horse must have one APHA registered parent? Just curious.

About 5 years ago we looked into getting one of our racehorses registered as a paint and at the time he was eligible because he had enough white. We have one wildly colored racehorse (Loveable Lo) that would kick butt in the APHA hunter shows after his racing career, if he can be registered with the APHA.

[LaurieB]

Talk about sucking the lemon dry…

[Jessi_P]

Does anyone know how expensive Storm Cat semen is going to be?

(Laurie, I agree 100000% about sucking the lemon dry).

[LaurieB]

@Jessi P;3810144

Does anyone know how expensive Storm Cat semen is going to be?

I read somewhere that his price for QH mares will be $20,000. Quite a bargain, at least by TB standards. What is considered a high stud fee for a QH stallion?

[ArtilleryHill]

Fee is $20,000. As I understand it, $40,000 to $50,000 is pretty top-level for published fees, but others are better placed to confirm or deny that!

[TBCollector]

[QUOTE=LaurieB;3810135]
Talk about sucking the lemon dry…[/QUOTE]

“Good to the last drop” was my thought.

[Jessi_P]

There is the QHD, the quarter horse directory, not an official aqha site but it’s a start. A quick scroll thru this page http://qhd.com/horse/stallionlist.asp (just the stallions that start with “A” showed the majority of stud fees are under $1k but there are a few on there at 2 & 3k.

These are race bred stallions, pretty much same thing, $500- $2k. Not very many listed tho.

[shawnee_Acres]

[QUOTE=Las Olas;3810030]
So, I wonder if the AQHA will give Storm Cat his ROM and place him in the main studbook with a set of white papers. That would be interesting. I think then you could breed a yellow papered QH mare to him and have, essentially, a TB.

Been a long time since I’ve owned a QH, so I’m not up on their rules. Does anyone know if you can breed a TB mare that has yellow AQHA papers to a white papered ROM stallion? The result would be 100% TB blood?[/QUOTE]

TB’s are not “papered” with AQHA. They receive a listing certificate with AQHA, stating that they have been LISTED and DNA’d to be able to be bred to QH mares (mares in the regular registry only, i.e. “whie papered”).
The only horses that are eligible to become “white papered” in the QH studbook are horses that are registered appendix QH’s. A full TB cannot be entered into the studbook as a “full papered” QH or ANY papered QH for that matter. So a TB can ONLY be bred to a full papered QH. However, as long as the mare receives HER ROM and is upgraded to regular registry (white paperd) THEN she can be bred to a full TB, this is how there are SO MANY “QH’s” that are predominantly TB in blood (have seen as much as 15/16th’s TB in a papered QH!!).

[azbloodstock]

If my memory is correct Storm Cat was used on 4 high profile QH mares early in his career so whatever papers AQHA gave him back then would still be the same.

[Las_Olas]

[QUOTE=Beezer;3810043]
Based on my admittedly old and faulty memory, I think any foal by SC would go into the appendix book. I think the AQHA, like the Paint people, adopted a “one parent” rule, by which one of the parents has to be in the main book. Enacted because all those pesky sabino TBs kept winning all the hunt seat classes. ;)[/QUOTE]

Hi Beezer,

I’m not sure if got the jist of my post. If they give Storm Cat his ROM he WILL be one parent in the main studbook. It’s my understanding that an ROM entitles the horse to white papers. I think this same thing happened with Easy Jet and Go Man Go, although I don’t know if anyone bred TB mares with yellow papers to them. My question was can they do that, or do they make them wait a generation? You can breed white papers to white papers (and get white papers). Yellow (appendix) to white papers (and get yellow papers), but you can’t breed yellow to yellow.

So, if Storm Cat is given his ROM and receives a set of white papers, thus putting him in the main studbook, can you breed a TB mare to him and get a registered QH? Again, HE would be the parent in the main studbook.

Am I making sense???

[shawnee_Acres]

[QUOTE=azbloodstock;3810258]
If my memory is correct Storm Cat was used on 4 high profile QH mares early in his career so whatever papers AQHA gave him back then would still be the same.[/QUOTE]

AQHA does NOT issue “papers” to TB’s, they require to have on file a photocopy of the JC papers and photos of the horse, they are “listed” then for breeding purposes, but they do not get “papers”. yes if a stallion is listed with AQHA once, it is for the lifetime of that hrose for breeding purposes

[Las_Olas]

[QUOTE=shawneeAcres;3810205]
TB’s are not “papered” with AQHA. They receive a listing certificate with AQHA, stating that they have been LISTED and DNA’d to be able to be bred to QH mares (mares in the regular registry only, i.e. “whie papered”).
The only horses that are eligible to become “white papered” in the QH studbook are horses that are registered appendix QH’s. A full TB cannot be entered into the studbook as a “full papered” QH or ANY papered QH for that matter. So a TB can ONLY be bred to a full papered QH. However, as long as the mare receives HER ROM and is upgraded to regular registry (white paperd) THEN she can be bred to a full TB, this is how there are SO MANY “QH’s” that are predominantly TB in blood (have seen as much as 15/16th’s TB in a papered QH!!).[/QUOTE]

Ok, so if that’s the case, then how were Go Man Go and Easy Jet (I think that was his name), who were registered TB’s with performance ROMs bred to appendix mares and have registered QH offspring?

[Las_Olas]

[QUOTE=LaurieB;3810149]
I read somewhere that his price for QH mares will be $20,000. Quite a bargain, at least by TB standards. What is considered a high stud fee for a QH stallion?[/QUOTE]

Laurie B,

Royal Quick Dash, who’s supposed to be one of the better sires, was listed at $6,000 a few years ago. I checked the farm’s website and I don’t see him listed, so maybe he’s pensioned/deceased.

[shawnee_Acres]

[QUOTE=Las Olas;3810272]
Hi Beezer,

I’m not sure if got the jist of my post. If they give Storm Cat his ROM he WILL be one parent in the main studbook. It’s my understanding that an ROM entitles the horse to white papers. I think this same thing happened with Easy Jet and Go Man Go, although I don’t know if anyone bred TB mares with yellow papers to them. My question was can they do that, or do they make them wait a generation? You can breed white papers to white papers (and get white papers). Yellow (appendix) to white papers (and get yellow papers), but you can’t breed yellow to yellow.

So, if Storm Cat is given his ROM and receives a set of white papers, thus putting him in the main studbook, can you breed a TB mare to him and get a registered QH? Again, HE would be the parent in the main studbook.

Am I making sense???[/QUOTE]

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a TB to be given an ROM and given white papers. Go Man Go was NOT a TB, he was BY a TB (Top deck) and out of a TB/QH mare. The mare would HAVE to have earned her ROM and be upgraded to be bre to a TB ,and subsequetnly Go Man Go received his ROM and was upgraded. Easy Jet also was NOT a TB, he was out of a TB mare and by a QH stallion.

[shawnee_Acres]

[QUOTE=Las Olas;3810282]
Ok, so if that’s the case, then how were Go Man Go and Easy Jet (I think that was his name), who were registered TB’s with performance ROMs bred to appendix mares and have registered QH offspring?[/QUOTE]

Please get your facts straight! Go Man Go and Easy Jet were NOT TB’s.

here are their pedigrees:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/easy+jet

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/go+man+go

Even Three BArs who was EXTREMELY influential in all areas of QH breeding (not jsut racing, but contributed a huge amount to cutting thru Doc Bar) was never a “papered” QH , he was simply apporved as a listed breeding stallion by AQHA. He was undoubtably one of the founding sires of the modern QH breed however.

[vineyridge]

If I owned the 2007 AQHA Champion race horse, who just happens to be a filly–name is something like Diamonds 'n Lace (I think, but haven’t read the Results AQHA Journal for 2007 in a while), I’d drop the bucks for a breeding to Storm Cat in a heartbeat. Maybe two or three by embryo transfer.

On another note, for all we know SC might be intolerable without regular semen ejaculations. :winkgrin:

Edited: The 2007 World Champion, Filly and 3 YO Filly AQHA race horse is Blues Girl Too.