Strange eating behavior - pain?

I have a mare who very recently started with some strange behavior while eating. She gets forage pellets, no grain, plus Vermont blend and ground flax, all wet to the consistency of oatmeal. In the last few days while eating she has been flicking her nose and throwing her head up like she’s getting an electrical shock. Tonight it was so bad she stopped eating entirely from the bucket, as if she related the pain(?) to the bucket. I hand fed her, and she readily ate from my hand, but still had instances where she would suddenly throw her head up mid-chew as if stung by a bee.

I tried putting the bucket on the ground, same thing. She ended up refusing to eat her meal at all.

I checked back later and she was grazing fine with no signs of the same symptoms. This has been going on for a few days. No change in her diet. It’s been the same if she’s fed in the stall or outside in the field.

It reminded me of a head shaker response, with a sudden rather violent head fling for no obvious reason.

I checked her mouth and she has some mild edges on her teeth but nothing alarming, and she’s not due for a dental until spring.

I’ve never seen anything like this, any ideas?

Broken tooth, mouth abscess, points at the back you can’t feel.

My then two year old had a reaction like that when one of his baby caps came off mid chew. He spat it out and continued eating. If your horse has a cracked molar it could be painful when the food is positioned in the wrong place.

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Agree with RedHorses, sounds like some kind of mouth pain. Could be a cut on the tongue, awn lodged, cracked tooth. I’d give it a day or two. If it is minor it should improve and if it needs intervention it may get bad enough to diagnose. If it doesn’t improve I would get a full speculum exam. Hope it gets better and remains a mystery!

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I agree with some sort of mouth pain. Years ago, before really good horse dentists were a thing here, I had a horse with a fractured tooth. He would eat fine and then just stop eating. It was like when you bite a place inside your mouth over and over, and you are eating, and you bite it again. We had a good DVM dentist come down here who used a light and speculum and he saw the fractured tooth. And showed it to me too. He filed it down and the horse stopped the behavior. Not saying that this is your problem but I would have somebody do an exam with a speculum and a light so they can really see inside the horse’s mouth.

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When did you last have dental exam with a speculum, head lamp and full oral exam? I’d call the dentist.

In the spring, with no abnormalities noted.

I’m not discounting dental issues, and I’ll be making an appointment when the office opens tomorrow, the reaction looks much more like a trigeminal nerve firing. I’ve had a head shaker and it looks exactly like his episodes. Except with this mare it’s only while eating.

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Could possibly be TMJ pain. My pony has TMJ arthritis and every once in awhile he’ll quit eating. A couple doses (usually just one, sometimes two) of an anti inflammatory will set him straight. Or could be dental pain.

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Yesterday the vet was out. Did a full dental exam with sedation and headlamp. No reaction to TMJ, no restriction in the jaw. The vet found a molar with some mild sensitivity and we’re doing a course of antibiotics just in case there may be an infection, but there were no abnormalities, no cracked teeth or foreign bodies.

Strangely the behavior is only while eating from a bucket. She’ll start eating and then about halfway through she’ll start with the head flinging. Again, it looks as if she’s being stung, and sometimes she’ll rub her nose on the stall door afterwards. If I hand feed her, she doesn’t have that reaction, so that’s what I’ve been doing so she can finish.

She has no problem grazing or eating from her hay net. She has no reaction to bridling, carrying the bit, or being ridden. Perplexing.

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Maybe it has something to do with the plastic (?) bucket? I know some of my older plastic buckets and feed pans can get a bit rough on the bottom from horse teeth over time and that might be enough to irritate a sensitive muzzle

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I actually considered that and I’ve switched out buckets three times, including to a brand new one. Today she was doing it even while hand feeding.

Here’s a short clip:

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Hmmm…have you tried a rubber bucket? Or maybe it’s the movement of the bucket? Could you somehow secure the bucket so it doesn’t move? If you put the bucket in a different location, like outside, does she still do it?

As far as hand feeding could she now be associating feed with whatever is bothering her? I don’t know, just throwing stuff out there!

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A large rubber tub on the floor? How is she with hay on the ground?

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I don’t think this fits given she has no issue when ridden but the video clip looks a lot like trigeminal neuralgia- head flicking as if shocked, snorting and nose rubbing. Given that she only does it when eating I think it’s likely some similar type of nerve pain during mastication. I hope it’s just a tooth infection and antibiotics clear it up. Sometimes they can be very stubborn to eradicate with antibiotics alone and require an extraction. Also, and this is no help whatsoever she is adorable. I have a soft spot for red mares.

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No sage thoughts, just sympathies. That is totally weird. If it was a molar it should bother her when she eats hay. Headshaker-like and it should show up other times. She clearly wants the food but it’s like she gets a shock when she eats it. Poor girl!

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Yeah we’re emergent now as she’s essentially refusing to eat at all this morning, even grass. Call is in to the vet.

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Jingles someone sorts something out…

Jingling you and your vet can get to the bottom of it! The video definitely looks like pain/some sort of zapping like a nerve or tooth.

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So we x-rayed the whole mouth and head today and found nothing. TMJ looks good. Then x-rayed the neck and found a big arthritis point at c5/c6. Very localized. It had chips broken off. Vet theorized that it’s an OCD she’s tolerated for ten years, until she couldn’t anymore. Or something recent happened that caused the bits to chip off and that’s why this behavior just came on recently. And then the Tuesday dental with speculum could have aggravated it even more which it why it’s so much worse today.

So we injected the neck and have her on a course of banamine for the next five days. Fingers crossed that it’s a manageable problem as she’s only eleven.

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Just checking in to see how your mare is doing. Been jingling for her.

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Unfortunately no better. She is on banamine twice per day which is giving her enough relief to eat some, but she is still reacting strongly to the nerve firing, and now she is showing the behavior outside of eating. I found a suggestion on COTH from @frugalannie about CBD oil and I’m going to give that a try. Fingers crossed. It’s pretty miserable to watch her try to eat and get shocked hard enough that she simply stops trying.

I’ve changed buckets, changed feed, tried feeding by hand, on the ground, wet, dry, and everything I can think of.