Suffolk Downs

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One thing you have to give Suffolk credit for: they made a public announcement of their policy. It would be very difficult for them in the court of public opinion if they didn’t implement what they said they would do. And since they are really trying to make Suffolk a success, public opinion does count.

I’m Ms. Public Opinion with a couple of dollars for betting on the ponies. Just on the basis on their “new” policy regarding trainers shipping horses to slaughter, I would choose to visit them out of all of the smaller tracks in the east. If we should learn that they aren’t enforcing their policy, then I would put them in the same category as Mountaineer, and absolutely avoid them.

[QUOTE=horselover101;3337381]
I’ve never isulted anyone. I’ve said that there defense of Mike Gill is ignorant. Has anyone else thrown any facts out. Which facts have I messed up on? I messed up with accidentally calling him a trainer and the operation he does with his horses. Two of them died the other day from the operation and thats a fact. Two of them broke their legs the other day that a fact. Someone give me some facts to oppose me but all you people are saying I’m childish and acting stupidly. No one has actually thrown anything at me to say what I am saying is a lie or misskewed about Mike Gill.[/QUOTE]
One must wonder why you single this guy out? I too worked at Sufferin’ Downs for a little while. Can’t recall many people there who would be in a position to point a finger at anybody else. Just the same I really don’t expect that track to survive much longer anyway. Their putting all their hopes in slots which their never going to get and since the new owner is a real estate developer their future looks bleak.

Having said that it appears that you’re upset about claiming races. Hard truth of it is this-EVERY HORSE ENTERED IN A CLAIMING RACE IS FOR SALE!!!

Those who can’t handle their horse getting claimed the answer is easy- don’t run him for a tag!

If this guy is claiming within the rules of racing and paying for them what’s everybody so upset about?
George

Another little thing Suffolk does that’s nice: they collect empty bags from all the trainers who use Triple Crown Feeds and send the proofs of purchase (worth .25 ea towards the purchase of TC Feeds for 501 3c rescues) to Old Friends.

Clearly you haven’t been to Suffolk in a while. The future of this track is about as bright as it’s ever been. Which is not to say the track won’t ever fold and get developed someday…but she’s got a few years in 'er yet. :wink:

Several scratches today, including British Event and Lokaloka, from the My Fair Lady Stakes as it was taken off the squishy (a term I submit as an official track condition) turf. Silver Charm daughter Nijinsky Bullet hung on by a nose to get the win on a sealed muddy track.

Serra Retreat was well up the track today, but our other two old boys managed to hit the board with show finishes. Pottersville was bumped up to third after unofficial winner Dancer Oscar was DQ’d, having drifted out after the turn and into the stretch, his jock losing his whip in efforts to straighten out.

The feature on tomorrow’s card is the $50,000 Isadorable Stakes, 6f on the dirt for MA bred fillies & mares. Among the entries is local fave Ask Queenie. If she runs, she’ll be coming off her second place finish against the boys in last Saturday’s Rise Jim Stakes.

In case you missed it, Myachi will be back on Sunday August 10th! Meet a Myachi Master and kick his sack!

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In case you missed it, Myachi will be back on Sunday August 10th! Meet a Myachi Master and kick his sack!

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Now THAT has got to be the funniest thing I’ve ever read on a racing forum. I have to confess though that if I had a clue as to what Myachi is, I probably wouldn’t have the visual I got. :wink:

Edit - So…for us old folks, it’s basically a hacky sack?

On the original Suffolk post… I think it’s fabulous news, as well as the post about donations to the TRF and CANTER. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and it’s a huge step in the right direction for the horses.

Agreed. Suffolk is far, far nicer than what I expected. I was pleasantly surprised to see a clean, well run facility, very nicely landscaped infield, well groomed and maintained tracks. The majority of horses looked well cared for overall, (with generally poor farriery practices the exception). Many of the horses are as handsome and sleek as anything seen in televised graded stakes races, IMO.

I believe the Suffolk management is trying their best to make the whole racing experience enjoyable for everyone. BIG kudos to them for coming out with the no selling to the meat man rules! That took guts and I admire them for it and will reward them with future attendance.

And for the life of me, I fail to understand how anyone can fault the many saints at CANTER. The folks I’ve dealt with via email last fall have been among the kindest, most helpful people imaginable. They truly care about the horses’ welfare.

As you know, I’m not a “player”, just a new fan with a few hundred to blow on fun every few weeks playing the ponies. I’ve brought friends with me to Suffolk on a couple of occasions now. They also love horses and don’t mind losing a few bucks. Multiply people like us by a few thousand each week and you’re talking serious money.

The burst of speed and power of the TB racehorse is incredibly thrilling and addictive. It can’t be appreciated on TV. I always sit as close to the track as possible because watching the horses run is why I’m there.

However nice the track is though, seeing horses amputate their limbs right in front of you is sickening and not enjoyable at all. Something needs to be done and I would feel a lot better about racing if these tragedies were seriously investigated (as they did with Eight Belles) rather than be treated as business as usual. My friends and I could just as easily take our money and go to a Red Sox game. So please fix it. Please.

RCLOISONNE- thank you for the kind words. If you would like to pm me with your address I will send you some free passes.

Another view

Well, at the risk of starting another fire I will have to say that I think stopping the dealers (it is really nice and propagandistic to call them slaughter buyers) was a very ill advised way of “saving” the horses which have no option but to get out of the barns. At many of the tracks there is a mandatory 48 - 72 hour period at which the horses must leave. Many, if not most of the trainers/owners do not have any options for these horses. Where did everyone think they would go once there was no other option for them to be sold? It would be so very nice and a perfect little world if no one needed that extra $200 - $600 that the trainers/owners would get for them, but is is an elitist notion that those who do not have extra money should get out of racing. Does that not exclude alot of really good people, we all get in financial trouble sometimes, even the best of the good people who would never consider sending their horse to an uncertain fate? But, think of this, many of those “slaughter buyers” do find really good homes for the horses, one such on Charles Town’s back side keeps in contact with the bloodstock agent Michael Sleazak to buy good broodmare prospects that the trainers/owners do not know about and also has his own auction every now and again for private buyers to attend. This is part of his business, this networking. So, I am not about to brand a decent man or woman, who may be sending these horses on to possibly a good, decent or better life, and live in the belief that it is all black and white out there.

What would have made more sense was to create a database which is made available to every trainer/owner/groom/hotwalker or anyone who ever works
the backside so that they would have options. That still has not been done, so at Sugar Creek, on June 20th, instead of there being 20 OTTBs there, there were 32. Now, that could have happened because of the overall financial crisis pressures, but I happen to know that there are no dealers now allowed in there, at least certain ones who have been branded (and many rightfully so) as slaughter buyers. It made everyone feel so warm and fuzzy inside that now the horses are safe, but who are we kidding with these stop gap measures. Certainly not me.

We could all probably come up with much better ideas to help the racing industry and the horse industry overall if we would take off the myopic glasses and look at the situation honestly and fairly. As far as the Michael Gill, Scott Lake and the departed Dale Bairds, it was obvious what they and others who claim by the dozens, kill by the handfuls and have little if no interest in doing any different are doing to the racing industry. This can get very emotional as it is so heartbreaking for anyone who sees this first hand, but belittling this, or downplaying will accomplish nothing except more rampant suffering.

rcloissone, now what you wrote in Post 98 - I can get behind that. Well said!

But, think of this, many of those “slaughter buyers” do find really good homes for the horses,

Clamber, this has been my experience, too. But, does Suffolk’s policy prevent dealers from buying for private resale?

They do not have access to the backside, just as what happened at Mountaineer, and Charles Town. So, to answer your question, they do not make a distinction and cannot really since the dealers do not really know if they have a private home for the horse until they get it home and assess it. What they normally do is walk the backside in the morning and ask trainers if they have any horses that need to be gone from their barn. The real abuse happens when a horse is crippled because of poor/needle training and then the horse has no where to go as a result. There needs to be a transition barn for those at the very least, and the track managements need to come up with the money to insure that happens.

[. There needs to be a transition barn for those at the very least, and the track managements need to come up with the money to insure that happens.[/QUOTE]

Suffolk does make a sizable donation to the TRF, and we have a donation jar in the bookkeepers office for Canter. We also have raffles and a table is set up on big race days for the TRF and/or Canter. There is no need to have a dealer on our backside(with the reputation of sending bad ones to the meat-house). Between the TRF, Canter and word of mouth we do a very good job at placing the horses back here. I do agree totally with you that we need a transition barn, but the problem is finding people to take care of the horses. Most of us work at least two jobs as it is and as much as many of us would love the to have a transition barn it would be very difficult to do so. Now, if there is a horse in immediate jeopardy (the owner/trainer refuses to care for it any longer)there are people back here that jump right in and bring the horse to their barn. Then we ask management to harrass said owner/trainer for $ to help pay for feed and shavings while we wait for the TRF or such to come get the horse.

Calamber, would you explain (for us know-nothings) how such a data base would work? Do you mean that trainer/owners would list horses to be sold/given away and that the placement groups or individuals would also use the data base to list openings; or in the case of a breeder, whether they want a potential broodmare with a particular pedigree?

Like that? It sounds as if it would be fun to set up for some geeks I know.

And how do you see access being granted to backsiders?

Hey, Barnfairy what did you think of the Isadorable on Saturday with Flirt for Fame winning and SouthoftheBorder running by Ask Queenie like a freight train?

Flirt for Fame has her day, and gets it done in style. 'Appropriate too that she was lightning fast with the weather pattern we’ve been stuck in.

Ask Queenie was game coming out of the gate but came up flat when asked in the stretch. Turns out a fourth Isadorable win eight days after her place finish in the Rise Jim wasn’t in the cards, but with all that’s been asked of her and all she’s given in her career, the mare doesn’t owe anybody anything. :wink:

To Miss Critic & THE MODS,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_hi_te/tec_disappearing_freedoms

by the way 2 horses did die from the operation!!!

Yeh 2nd and 3rd was all in the family anyways. Both Ask Queenie and SouthoftheBorder like to go long. They’ll get Flirt for Fame in the long Mass Bred races.

Hooray! Houseguests!!!

I know, it’s been a while [read ++++//////+/+/+/] since we have had houseguests. And now FOS links. Good times, good times.