Suggestions needed for an article: "Not Aged" Very Promising TB Sires of Eventers

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Sula Blue in England is worth considering. He’s pure TB, eventing now, and even without offspring of an age to event, has a lovely pedigree. He’s 13.
Stormhill Miller is 19, so aged. Primitive Proposal is 15. Denounce is 14. Urgent Request is 14. Loughehoe Guy in Ireland is aged. Chinook Star in Ireland is aged. Colourfield is aged to dead. Roviris is aged to dead.

Up With The Lark is 63/64ths TB. He’s 15. Primitive Star, also 15, is about 75% TB.

There is a 1998 model named Nayef who was bred in the USA and stands for sport in Germany.

Here there is Sea Lion (Sea Elephant). He’s 17. Trak approved and a proven 3* event horse. I honestly can’t remember if he finished Rolex, but I do know he started.

Orujo de la Galerna is full TB, is 15, and is owned by a Mexican fellow. Stallion did stand at Phyllis Dawson’s Windchase, but I’m not sure where he is now. He has evented himself.

Sea Accounts is 16.

I’ve just gone over most of the 2014 British Young Horse Championships from 4-6 (haven’t done 7). The only TB sires that I’ve found have been really old. The vast majority of sires in all ages have been WBs or Irish or WBs standing in Ireland. Since the youngest were bred in 2010, or only 5 years after the destruction of eventing as we knew it, it would well be that British and Irish breeders were following the prevalent expectation that the TB was dead in event breeding. But the results to date have not shown that–at least in the sport’s highest levels.

I’ve now done the 7 yos. Almost no tb sires of any age, and the ones there are the aged and dead. The vast majority of the horses are Irish, and it appears that the Irish no longer want TB blood in either the sires or the dams. They look as though they were breeding primarily for SJ these days, and the horses they sell for eventing are the ones who haven’t showed the talent to make over the big sticks.

If the sport needs TBs close for the top levels today, will the top levels change because the vast majority of horses bred today in places like Britain and Ireland are not using TB blood? Courses for horses, you know. Or will breeders start looking back to TB sires? The German eventers seem to be of the opinion that top eventers come from high percentage Blood and are buying young horses from TB sires. But the TB sires of the German horses are none of them young.

I daresay William Micklem will know if there are any promising young TB stallions for eventing in either Ireland or the UK.[/QUOTE]

I am late to this thread but wanted to note that unfortunately Orujo de la Galerna was euthanized in December 2014. I believe he is still available frozen though. Can’t say enough about his offspring, each one I know is amazing.

[QUOTE=camohn;8053491]
Although not being bred for eventing specifically the TB stallion Dance With Ravens has an unusually high number of OTTB offspring turning up in the eventing ranks. http://www.pedigreequery.com/dance+with+ravens[/QUOTE]

As does his stablemate Jump Start , sire of eventers Ichabad Crane and Tsunami

http://www.pedigreequery.com/jump+start

Also at Rolex is AP Prime…by Aptitude
http://www.pedigreequery.com/aptitude

So all in all… AP Indy is well represented…

[QUOTE=Linny;8048227]
I believe that JBRP has or has had a couple of Bernardini colts.He’s by A.P. Indy and won the Preakness the year that Barbaro broke down. He was HOY that year and has been a success as a racing sire. Darley has supported him and have placed several of his less than successful sons in non racing homes. I expect him to be a very good event sire but at $85k, he’s not covering sport mares.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/125728/bernardini[/QUOTE]

Jump Start is less but still not in sport horse dom at 10k. Dance With Ravens is do able at 3k negotiable, close to my 2,500 cap on a sport tb studfee.Aptitude is unfortunately deceased .

Tom I realise that this stallion may fall in your “aged” category but is one that I have seriously considered using over my registered TB mares by Heroicity.
His bloodline has alot of what I like so maybe a few years down the track with a little luck I might have that TB stallion you are now researching for.
http://www.longspring.co.nz/content/downloads/Colombia%20Brochure%202009.pdf

Waiting with bated breath for your new stallion for eventing!

Dance with Ravens name keeps popping up. I bred to him a couple of times when he looked like he might be all right on the racing side of things. Doesn’t really “stamp” them so the dam comes into play more than other stallions. Like Jump Start who I have bred to a number of times.

He’s pretty much a “bust” at this point. He only covered 21 mares in 2014. Maybe a handful this year. I am sure they will take any mare for any kind of offer on his fee. $1,000 or less. I would bet it would cost much to buy him.

The easiest way to “locate” the progeny of any stallion is to pull a Stallion Progeny Report from Equineline. You can “filter” it by age. It will list every foal and their race record. If raced. Take the names of the ones of interest and check what is going on with them in Horse Profiles and if still racing set up a Stable Mail account which is free.

[QUOTE=Rockin’;8140071]
Tom I realise that this stallion may fall in your “aged” category but is one that I have seriously considered using over my registered TB mares by Heroicity.
His bloodline has alot of what I like so maybe a few years down the track with a little luck I might have that TB stallion you are now researching for.
http://www.longspring.co.nz/content/downloads/Colombia%20Brochure%202009.pdf[/QUOTE]

That is a lovely stamp of a horse…and I too like his pedigee. Too bad he is in the wrong part of the world for me.

[QUOTE=gumtree;8142526]
Dance with Ravens name keeps popping up. I bred to him a couple of times when he looked like he might be all right on the racing side of things. Doesn’t really “stamp” them so the dam comes into play more than other stallions. Like Jump Start who I have bred to a number of times.

He’s pretty much a “bust” at this point. He only covered 21 mares in 2014. Maybe a handful this year. I am sure they will take any mare for any kind of offer on his fee. $1,000 or less. I would bet it would cost much to buy him.

The easiest way to “locate” the progeny of any stallion is to pull a Stallion Progeny Report from Equineline. You can “filter” it by age. It will list every foal and their race record. If raced. Take the names of the ones of interest and check what is going on with them in Horse Profiles and if still racing set up a Stable Mail account which is free.[/QUOTE]

Shame with DWR as he does seem to pass some good sport horse traits. Sometimes the flops with racing would have been outstanding for sport and jump. One of the best jumping horses I’ve ever known was by Taylor’s Special. I knew several of his offspring that friends (and I) had picked up cheap from Charlestown. All outstanding xc horses and great jumpers (mine did great as an event horse and then went on to SJ at 1.5 meter). He was a totally flop as a race horse sire but damn he produced nice jumping horses.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/137624/dance-with-ravens
Maybe someone will scope him up as a sporthorse sire–but I suspect he still has more worth as a local /Md -bred racing sire.
So Sky Classic and DWR (sharing same mare family) have produced multiple steeplechase Grade 1 winner Sur La Tete ($687,120) and two-time champion filly/mare steeplechaser Guelph ($220,754) and recent MD Hunt Cup winner Ravens Choice.

Late to the party, but Ruffian Reef is a new favorite TB stallion of mine. He is 13 and seems to still be standing (although I’m unsure if he is only live cover?). But nice type and nice moving stallion who seems to have a few nice event type offspring, in my opinion. http://www.gestuet-majenfelderhof.de/hengste_ruffe_e.html

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[QUOTE=weixiao;8147463]
Late to the party, but Ruffian Reef is a new favorite TB stallion of mine. He is 13 and seems to still be standing (although I’m unsure if he is only live cover?). But nice type and nice moving stallion who seems to have a few nice event type offspring, in my opinion. http://www.gestuet-majenfelderhof.de/hengste_ruffe_e.html[/QUOTE]

That’s one of the best stallion pages that I’ve ever seen.

[QUOTE=weixiao;8147463]
Late to the party, but Ruffian Reef is a new favorite TB stallion of mine. He is 13 and seems to still be standing (although I’m unsure if he is only live cover?). But nice type and nice moving stallion who seems to have a few nice event type offspring, in my opinion. http://www.gestuet-majenfelderhof.de/hengste_ruffe_e.html[/QUOTE]

He is very nice…but looks like he is in Germany?

[QUOTE=weixiao;8147463]
Late to the party, but Ruffian Reef is a new favorite TB stallion of mine. He is 13 and seems to still be standing (although I’m unsure if he is only live cover?). But nice type and nice moving stallion who seems to have a few nice event type offspring, in my opinion. http://www.gestuet-majenfelderhof.de/hengste_ruffe_e.html[/QUOTE]

I like him on paper but he was unsound in the video and the 3 starts would make me look elsewhere as I personally prefer a horse w/ starts who retires sound… I hate to be a negative nancy but for his pedigree I expected bigger movement. Are there other videos of him out there doing more than lying down and cantering? His progeny all look gorgeous, are they sound as well?

Mill Reef has done well for himself in terms of successful offspring in EV, wish there were more TB stallions in the US with him up close.

To add to this thread & keep it as a reference - can we discuss pros & cons of the following boys that are avialbale via fresh (respectfully, of course). Constructive critcism and bragging are both keys to choosing the best matches :cool: I can come back and edit this post if it’s helpful…

Friend or Foe
The Twain
Pericles
Fun & Fancy Free
Aaron’s Gold
Noble Houston
Sea Lion
Just a Devil

[QUOTE=goodmorning;8148924]
To add to this thread & keep it as a reference - can we discuss pros & cons of the following boys that are avialbale via fresh (respectfully, of course). Constructive critcism and bragging are both keys to choosing the best matches :cool: I can come back and edit this post if it’s helpful…

Friend or Foe
The Twain
Pericles
Fun & Fancy Free
Aaron’s Gold
Noble Houston
Sea Lion
Just a Devil
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re: the Twain - while I haven’t dealt with him I will say that Green Dancer is or was a stallion that consistently throws GOOD movement. It is probably through Nijinksy, but GD offspring consistently have very lofty and uphill trots.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8148949]
re: the Twain - while I haven’t dealt with him I will say that Green Dancer is or was a stallion that consistently throws GOOD movement. It is probably through Nijinksy, but GD offspring consistently have very lofty and uphill trots.[/QUOTE]

Green Dancer is out of a mare with superlative sport horse lines. If you are interested in breeding to his lines, Default in Virginia is a sire line grandson with a very, very special sport horse pedigree. http://www.pedigreequery.com/default In his pedigree, Nijinsky is the weakest line.

He’s aged with some old injuries which hamper his movement today, but he’s gorgeous, well bred, stands mostly to foxhunters I believe, and is owned by a repro vet so available fresh and frozen, as well as live cover. www.littlehawkfarm.com He was out of racing for a year or two, then someone tried to bring him back. His results had cratered before the layoff, and never came back.

He has one of the best pedigrees for movement potential that I’ve seen in a TB in the US.

Love The Twain’s pedigree for sport. Just reviewing Sir Tristram’s pedigree, it’s no wonder he was such a good sport horse producer. And he has all three of the foundation stallions in the first five generations + sire for the mares in the fifth, another one of my touchstones.

[QUOTE=goodmorning;8148924]
To add to this thread & keep it as a reference - can we discuss pros & cons of the following boys that are avialbale via fresh (respectfully, of course). Constructive critcism and bragging are both keys to choosing the best matches :cool: I can come back and edit this post if it’s helpful…

Friend or Foe
The Twain
Pericles
Fun & Fancy Free
Aaron’s Gold
Noble Houston
Sea Lion
Just a Devil
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F o F: there is a whole thread here
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?431833-TB-stallion-Friend-or-Foe

Aaron’s Gold: is and produces hunter types. I have not used him but a friend who breeds hunters did. I remember she reported excellent customer service at Mortgage Hall and mare care for her mare / was a TB that went for LC.

Have you seen Default Viney? Does he have a good walk?

[QUOTE=goodmorning;8149781]
Have you seen Default Viney? Does he have a good walk?[/QUOTE]

I haven’t seen him, but a COTHer bred to him and went to see him before she did. Haven’t heard how her foal turned out, but she said Default was very crippled (maybe from an old pelvic break? The thread should be searchable) and moved as if he were.
I’ll bet if you were interested, Little Hawk Farm might have some video to share.

Here’s the old thread.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?342668-Virginia-TB-stallion-Default&highlight=Default+pedigree