LOL, no there is a horse vet group on FB where people ask questions and only vets are allowed to respond. It seems to be a great place for info or for those needed a virtual second opinion before going and paying for one. A girl posted a question asking about this stuff and there is one vet in particular, who seems to be more or less “pimping” the stuff. Looking at her page and practice page she seems legit but who knows.
She seems to have vested interest in the product.
Yeah it’s a FB “vet site” where people can ask questions and only vets are supposed to answer.
There are strict rules about what can be said outside of “the group” but I’m a little… Unimpressed with some vet advice I’ve read. Mainly when people directly ask for studies they’re shut down.
For example, a vet will say “abler products are proven not to have the right amount of omeprazole and they don’t work because they’re not absorbed”
when asked for a study to support the claim that Abler products are not absorbed the vets just say “well it’s not FDA approved.”
Said same vet very impressed with the Summit product.
Oh oh and they have been too busy to get out studies. They have been on vacation and it’s not just about " copying and posting links." Some guy who developed “the molecule” is writing an “Intro” or something.
Can you see my eyeroll from here?
oh and it was referred to as C4SA. Can thar help us figure out what this even us?
Yeah it’s not adding up. As much as I wish/hope she’s got the evidence to back it up, I’m definitely smelling snake oil right now .
I hope the doctor discloses her vested interest. The email I got when I requested studies from the website seemed to be from her husband(?).
Something is not bring disclosed here. At the very least they’re terribly disorganized.
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Looks like maybe he took this C4S chondroitan molecule and invented his own variation?
I have no idea. This is all a bit over my head in the chemistry department.
Did you see that the studies at Cornell were studies but weren’t intended for publication? What even?!
lol omg yes. I don’t think she realizes she’s digging herself deeper. “I’m soooooooooo busy, way too busy to get you any of this pesky science or “evidence” you speak of, but I totes think you should stab your horse with this mystery molecule and I promise he’ll feel better. I’ve also got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.”
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In a nutshell. have you gotten a Facebook private message yet?
When I search for C4SA and chondroitin, I get a bunch of papers that discuss chondroitin-4-sulfate (C4S) vs chondroitin-6-sulfate (C6S) in various applications and biology. I think they’re just trying to sound smart by name dropping the type of molecule they claim it to be.
Vets can be shady and wrong and out for personal gain just as much as anyone who is not a vet. Sure sounds like that’s what’s going on here :-/.
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Tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full.
nope.
Still? Geez :lol: Oh, I might have forgotten to delete my deleteds. Should (might?) be better now! 
That worked. 
Well the vet page closed the post.
Chondroitin 4 Sulfate appears to be the substance of the drug “Condranol”.
I remain feeling uneasy about this product. Lots of dancing around the truth and “breadcrumbing” info when being specifically asked… Give a little and hope the hard questions about their product stop.
The vet pushing it does have a vested interest but will not state that even when pushed.
Agreed. If she was so against going to market with it before having this information ready, then she shouldn’t be promoting it. Sucks that their hedging casts such shade if it’s just a matter of being honestly unprepared. I do hope they get it together and can provide some real evidence, but I’m not holding my breath.
Also sucks the string was closed. I guess we’ll have to keep our eye out.
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