Is have the same vet who have you the lute shot check the mare and foal.
Siegi probably has not had a situation she’s needed a shot like this as I believe she breeds with fresh and frozen semen that is shipped to her in small doses and purposely put into a specific mare. I’m guessing there aren’t any loose stallions running around where she is.
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Siegi probably has not had a situation she’s needed a shot like this as I believe she breeds with fresh and frozen semen that is shipped to her in small doses and purposely put into a specific mare.[/QUOTE]
Most Mare Owners who inseminate with fresh and/or frozen semen will use Prostaglandin on a regular basis, as it is used to short cycle mares and bring them into heat. 
Daventry - in my case your statement should read … Most mare owner’s VETS use prostaglandin to short-cycle mares. 
There are very few breeders I know that have the expertise to successfully inseminate their mares using frozen semen. Mo Swanson is one of those exceptions… The rest of us take our mares to a vet that ultrasounds every six hours in order to be successful.
And yes, I’ve taken courses in equine reproduction where I also learned how to ultrasound and inseminate mares with frozen semen. If there’s one thing I learned there it’s the fact that you need a “controlled environment” when dealing with frozen semen in order to be successful, and at an average of over $1,000.00/dose for semen I have a real incentive to adhere to that… (I had one of my mares bred to Negro this year - check out his stud fee to see where the REAL incentive is!)
To each his own…
Add me to the list then! We ultrasound and inseminate our own mares. Just got our beautiful maiden warmblood mare pregnant with frozen semen we actually froze ourselves from one of our pony stallions. Up in Canada, repro vets tend to be really sparse and the regular vets are not keen on doing repro work, so I find that most Mare Owners are doing their own repro work up here. I know quite a few Canadian Mare Owners who breed themselves with frozen semen each year (they also post on COTH). But not everyone has the time or the funds to be able to do that…as there is definitely a learning curve involved and the need for lots of practice!
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I know quite a few Canadian Mare Owners who breed themselves with frozen semen each year [/QUOTE]
:eek:
OP, congrats on your Surprise Baby, hope everything goes well, and there had better be a pic at sometime.
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Add me to the list then! We ultrasound and inseminate our own mares. Just got our beautiful maiden warmblood mare pregnant with frozen semen we actually froze ourselves from one of our pony stallions. Up in Canada, repro vets tend to be really sparse and the regular vets are not keen on doing repro work, so I find that most Mare Owners are doing their own repro work up here. I know quite a few Canadian Mare Owners who breed themselves with frozen semen each year (they also post on COTH). But not everyone has the time or the funds to be able to do that…as there is definitely a learning curve involved and the need for lots of practice! ;)[/QUOTE]
I believe you are an hour from Edmonton. Same distance as me. There is a ton of vets that do repo work in central Alberta and some really decent ones. I am bringing this up so people do not think Alberta is some remote place with no facilities. There is a very strong and advanced agricultural community that is supported by one of the strongest economies in the world.
There are people who I know of that do there own frozen (and do so fairly well) but I would say most breeders do not. Many breeders only have a couple of horses and they work or they are a bigger operation but do not have the time it takes for frozen. If I named some of the bigger/more serious (10+ mares)breeding operations in Alberta, only a few of them do their own…and that is because they are vets or they married one.
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I believe you are an hour from Edmonton. Same distance as me. There is a ton of vets that do repo work in central Alberta and some really decent ones. I am bringing this up so people do not think Alberta is some remote place with no facilities. There is a very strong and advanced agricultural community that is supported by one of the strongest economies in the world.
There are people who I know of that do there own frozen (and do so fairly well) but I would say most breeders do not. Many breeders only have a couple of horses and they work or they are a bigger operation but do not have the time it takes for frozen. If I named some of the bigger/more serious (10+ mares)breeding operations in Alberta, only a few of them do their own…and that is because they are vets or they married one.[/QUOTE]
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Sorry to the OP for getting off topic!
Daventry … Just as I’m starting to take you somewhat seriously you come up with another unbelievable statement, specifically that you “freeze your own semen”!! You may “cool” it, but I don’t for a minute believe that you have the facilities nor the wherewithal to actually freeze it. Do yourself a favor and Google “freezing stallion semen” to get an idea of what is involved BEFORE you make big statements like that…
Oy Vey!
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Daventry … Just as I’m starting to take you somewhat seriously you come up with another unbelievable statement, specifically that you “freeze your own semen”!! You may “cool” it, but I don’t for a minute believe that you have the facilities nor the wherewithal to actually freeze it. Do yourself a favor and Google “freezing stallion semen” to get an idea of what is involved BEFORE you make big statements like that…
Oy Vey![/QUOTE]
siegi, we DO freeze our own semen here. It has been a three year process for me, travelling and lots of courses. We do have the lab, we do have the equipment, we do freeze semen ourselves. Do we have the facility to freeze semen for export outside of North America? NO. But we can freeze and ship frozen semen within North America. Actually, we are sending a dose of our frozen semen down to Oklahoma tomorrow for Kathy St. Martin and Jos Mottershead to analyze with their CASA system!
I’m not sure why you think all of this stuff is impossible to do by others.
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Daventry … Just as I’m starting to take you somewhat seriously you come up with another unbelievable statement, specifically that you “freeze your own semen”!! You may “cool” it, but I don’t for a minute believe that you have the facilities nor the wherewithal to actually freeze it. Do yourself a favor and Google “freezing stallion semen” to get an idea of what is involved BEFORE you make big statements like that…
Oy Vey[/B]
I know Tracy personally and she is a well respected and very well educated stallion owner. And yes, she does freeze her own stallions and will hopefully be freezing semen for me in the future.
Maybe do yourself a favour and make sure you actually know what you are talking about before YOU make such rude statements.
PS. There are plenty of breeders that breed their own mares with frozen semen (myself being one of them).
I would do whatever was necessary to get the foal’s IgG levels checked and have the mare checked for retention of placenta.
Hope everything goes smoothly!
Wow
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Daventry … Just as I’m starting to take you somewhat seriously you come up with another unbelievable statement, specifically that you “freeze your own semen”!! You may “cool” it, but I don’t for a minute believe that you have the facilities nor the wherewithal to actually freeze it. Do yourself a favor and Google “freezing stallion semen” to get an idea of what is involved BEFORE you make big statements like that…
Oy Vey![/QUOTE]
Wow! Maybe, just maybe, you should do a little research before you call someone out. Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and google Daventry’s website before you open your mouth and insert your foot.
:lol: Tracy not know what she is doing? You must be kidding!!!
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Daventry … Just as I’m starting to take you somewhat seriously you come up with another unbelievable statement, specifically that you “freeze your own semen”!! You may “cool” it, but I don’t for a minute believe that you have the facilities nor the wherewithal to actually freeze it. Do yourself a favor and Google “freezing stallion semen” to get an idea of what is involved BEFORE you make big statements like that…
Oy Vey![/QUOTE]
Just pulled this dose of Daventry’s Power Play frozen semen out of our tank. I’ve linked to the actual size photo so the writing is legible, as it just shrinks it down to a tiny photo on COTH. One breeding dose wasted and in the garbage to prove a point. That’s OK, I’ll just freeze some more! https://www.facebook.com/daventryequestrian/photos/a.384845797524.168554.78309977524/10152462729782525/?type=1&theater
Here is the official announcement when we started freezing semen. I dunno, maybe I just made it all up. https://www.facebook.com/daventryequestrian/posts/10152315067237525
Hampton Bay, much health and happiness for your new little foal! :yes:
I remembered he stuff to due during pregnancy, prior to foaling, but the after stuff I just couldn’t remember. So worming is 6 weeks of age? I thought I remembered to use a double dose of strongid or safe guard, so is ivermectin the recommendation now?
the only horse vet around is very outdated, still gives banamine IM. I don’t trust his recommendations for this stuff that is updated more regularly. He doesn’t do farm calls, period, and has no real diagnostic equipment for horses. I haven’t used any of the other vets wihin a few hits due to lack of need. I can haul them if hings get hairy, but I have no vacation at work right now. Gotta keep the job to feed the horses
stil working on a name. She’s been pretty playful but nothing seems to fit her. I just wish I could have picked her daddy. I’m very against grade stallions and breeding grade horses in general, so it just makes me sad that she’s not exactly won the genetic lottery.
Daventry - my sincere apologies! I got you mixed up with the OP but then that’s my fault…
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Daventry - my sincere apologies! I got you mixed up with the OP but then that’s my fault…[/QUOTE]
Apology accepted.
6-8 weeks, yes. It simply takes that long - closer to 8 really - for any parasites to get to a developmental stage where the chemicals will kill them.
I thought I remembered to use a double dose of strongid or safe guard, so is ivermectin the recommendation now?
Yes and yes 
There are 2 issues. 1 is that there’s a growing resistance of ascarids to ivermectin. Ascarids are EVIL for foals.
The other issue is the high, widespread resistance of strongyles to Strongid (pyrantel pamoate) and Safeguard/Panacur (fenbendazole).
This means you cannot count on ivermectin to kill ascarids (though in many places it does, I just wouldn’t rely on it, the risk is too high) and you cannot count on the other 2 chemicals to kill strongyles.
Thankfully, double dosing fen and pp do kill ascarids effectively, and thankfully, ivermectin is still effective against strongyles.
So, the best protocol is to alternate, every 4 weeks, between single ivermectin, and either double pp or double fen. The double fenbendazole is a bit more effective against ascarids than the double pp, overall. You can even use oxibendazole if you don’t want to double fen each time, and the oxi is even a bit more effective than the fen against ascarids.
One bonus of double pp is it also kills tapeworms
At the 6 month mark, you can use Equimax in your ivermectin rotation. It’s not totally necessary if you just did, or will do next time, the double pp, but see above about the fen being a bit more effective against ascarids, so I’d use that for your non-ivermectin rotations
JB. You are a wealth of knowledge when it comes to worms…but I swear I go cross eyed every time I read one of your worming protocol posts!
So every 4 weeks for the first year? My last foal was 6 years ago. I don’t remember what was recommended for her, and I’m sure it’s changed by now anyway.
For whoever asked for a pic, I would be glad to email one from my phone if you pm me your email addy.
Checked out the potential dad’s today. The one I could see well moves like a cow pony, short front legs and long wide body, no topline at all, huge withers, short neck, and ribby. Hopefully she takes after her dam and dam sire.
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