Suspended without being on the suspension list?

[endlessclimb]

Can someone be suspended by USEF for a drug infraction, without appearing on the suspension list?

Context: Every month or so, I peek over at Horse Show Diva. I don’t know anyone in that world, so I can’t really explain why I do, but it is what it is. There’s a thread that indicates that Tori Colvin is suspended from USEF for a potential drug infraction, but because she was compliant they cut a deal to keep it private.

Is this even possible, or is it just Horse Show Diva smut? If it is possible - WHAT?!

[Davignport]

If that is true, I would say it is a pretty crappy arrangement. Everyone has a right to know who is on the suspension list, regardless of name or influence.

[Pennywell_Bay]

I would take anything from HSD with a grain of salt. The USEF has not shied away from listing suspensions and am suspicious they would cut a deal. JMO. Plus, I have not heard any rumors floating around she “got caught”, and she recently showed a horse in our show barn. Maybe someone who is in the trenches can weigh in, but typically when a big name is drug tested, we all know about it. So it would be hard to keep the masses quiet.

[Rumorhasit93]

If Nick Haness can be listed, I doubt Tori would have more pull so as to not be listed.

I must have seen the HSD post at the same time as you and had the exact same thought and did the subsequent search.

I do find it odd, though, that Tori hasn’t shown since September. Sometimes people go to Europe and such, but she also hasn’t posted on social media which is strange.

[steelerino]

I think that is where the questions are coming from. She is very active on the show scene and has been oddly absent for indoors.

[Janet]

It is easy enough to check.

This is the link for the " Ineligibility List " on the USEF web site.
" https://www.usef.org/compete/resources-forms/rules-regulations/ineligibilty-list "

When I put “Colvin” in the “name” field, I get no results.

That is the list show managers are supposed to check before accepting entries.

[endlessclimb]

The question is if someone can be suspended WITHOUT being listed. I’m aware she isn’t listed. That’s the point.

[Janet]

And if she isn’t on that list, the show manager would not have any reason to refuse her entry. So they WOULDN’T BE “suspended”.

[endlessclimb]

Or, she could have a quiet arrangement with USEF that wouldn’t be publicized. She’s not even showing up at indoors. She hasn’t been seen at a show since September. She isn’t being denied entry, she isn’t there.

It is possible that if her and USEF came to a deal outside of standard penalties, that she is sitting it out based on that. That’s the question.

[Janet]

@endlessclimb

It is possible that if her and USEF came to a deal outside of standard penalties

Yes, that is possible, though I doubt it. But a “private deal” would NOT be a “supension”.

[endlessclimb]

If they told her not to show up or they’d make it public, it kind of is. Not in the formal sense, as you keep bringing up. More of a slap on the wrist thing.

At any rate, this is all speculation. If there is any truth to a suspension without it being listed, I think membership needs to know. After all the things the last couple years, it wouldn’t shock me in the least.

[trubandloki]

@endlessclimb

I think membership needs to know

It is not like membership will believe an answer if it is given.

Typically once someone has planted a seed of bad-ness, people will just claim that things that dispute their theories on the situation as a cover-up.

There are so many reasons why a person might not be at shows, all while not telling the general public why they are not there, most of them not nefarious.

[Madison]

@trubandloki

There are so many reasons why a person might not be at shows, all while not telling the general public why they are not there, most of them not nefarious.

This ^ I don’t know why people immediately assume something nefarious. Is it noticeable for someone who rides as well as she does to not be at indoors? Sure. But does it really make it likely that USEF cut some side deal with her over something like Carolina Gold?? You’ve seen plenty of high profile names on the suspension list. If cutting side deals to keep it quiet were a thing, I’d think you would never see a big name on there, but we have. What would be in that deal for USEF, why would they want to do that??

[endlessclimb]

What would be in the deal to keep quiet about anything or dragging out an investigation, yet they have shown they will, over and over again.

I don’t know who is who on the HSD forum, but someone there indicates they know of two people that this exact thing is ongoing with. Maybe they’re outright lying, who knows!

I hope for the sport’s sake that “cooperation” doesn’t give someone a silent suspension. It absolutely would not surprise me though. Would it surprise you?

[Madison]

@endlessclimb

Would it surprise you?

It’s 2024. I’m not sure anything would surprise me about anything anymore (and I’d use an emoji here, but I really can’t decide between a laughing one or a crying one LOL).

I’ve seen the thread, I guess I’m just wondering, even if you assumed the underlying facts to be true, would there be enough at stake for either side of that situation to cut some secret deal over it???

[endlessclimb]

With them being acutely aware that the public is losing their luster with the whole thing, it honestly would not shock me they’re trying to hide everything they possibly can from the public eye.

[IPEsq]

Yikes. I mean, what if she’s having a health problem? This speculation is over the top!

[Jackjoe1]

I watch a round at Harrisburg in a professional division that was out of line/abusive and was wondering why nothing was said or done, that I know of anyway. I went later that day on clipmyhorse to show a friend and the video of that ride was deleted! What is that?

[skydy]

If you would be specific about the day and the class that the round you saw as “out of line/abusive” took place and that was then “deleted” by CMH, people could possibly find it somewhere else and be able to give an opinion about it.

Which abusive round, of which class, do you believe was deleted?

Was the horse disqualified? Conspiracy theories are getting a bit thick here, yet no one putting them forward seems to be willing or able to give any actual facts, only innuendo.

You won’t find many COTH members who are tolerant of abuse, however most of us don’t tend to believe accusations unsupported by facts.

[hoopoe]

I suspect as the National Federation, the USEF has some pretty strict rules to obey under the Ted Stevens Act, IOC abd FEI