[QUOTE=Bicoastal;7754335]
I thought they were illegal show equipment.[/QUOTE]
No, they are not uncommon at the shows, mostly the bump kind though, seen chains too, no sharp edges or anything like that. There is no bridle drop or bit check. Most use them only in the show ring and only when needed just to keep the surprise factor in play and the horse listening.
[QUOTE=fatappy;7753830]
If I can correct a bad behavior with two touches to a noseband, why wouldn’t I?[/QUOTE]
Because you’re not fixing the problem. The problem is that the horse isn’t accepting of the contact. Teaching him to duck behind the contact, as the tack noseband does, doesn’t solve the problem. Only time, patience, and correct riding will do that.
And anyone who thinks you need to count to 6, or 10, for a warmblood to respond, also needs to spend some time really riding. EVERY horse is as sharp, or as dull, as the rider makes them. I’ve seen the laziest lugs become light, forward, and supple with proper riding. It’s just rare to see someone who can actually ride properly.
[QUOTE=Bogie;7754276]
I also used a tack noseband with one horse – coincidentally, also when riding with Ronnie Mutch!. For this horse, it made a huge difference.
Please keep in mind that tack nosebands come in many configurations – some use just bumps, others are more severe.
As stated earlier, it’s a self-correcting aid, which I also prefer to always depending on the rider to release.
BTW – it’s been many decades since then and I haven’t had another horse that I thought would benefit from one.[/QUOTE]
I used both a stud and chain noseband (not at the same time, of course) for a brief period, and although it was a long time ago and I was pretty young, I’m pretty sure those were tools suggested by Ronnie, who gave me several lessons on that horse. The purpose of them for me was to get the horse to respect the martingale so that I could see where I was going and have some kind of contact with his mouth. Claudius, I wish I knew what happened to those…I’d gladly send them to you since I haven’t had the need for them in 20+ years.
[QUOTE=Nestor;7754436]
Because you’re not fixing the problem. The problem is that the horse isn’t accepting of the contact. Teaching him to duck behind the contact, as the tack noseband does, doesn’t solve the problem. Only time, patience, and correct riding will do.[/QUOTE]
Used properly for short periods of time by a competent rider, you know, one with good hands and a strong, properly used leg? On a horse with proper basics that decides it does not have to listen? It’s not going to get the horse ducking behind.
Slapped on as a shortcut substitute for training, yeah, just creates new evasions.
BTW, never used one. Mine never came up with that particular evasive technique.
I always get the feeling in these threads that the people who are screaming, “I WOULD NEVER…!!!” have just never come across a horse that would benefit from a tool like a tack noseband.
And that’s what it is, by the way, a TOOL. Not a shortcut and not a torture device (funny line to draw, by the way, out of all of the things we use on horses). There are a million places you can insert training tools into a program to get to a desired result more quickly. The caveat is that the rider/trainer has to know how to use the tool correctly to get that desired effect without sacrificing something along the way. And yes, that’s a big leap to make with many posters of unknown origin asking for advice on this board, but it doesn’t change the fact that the story line that “every horse on the planet should be rideable 100% of the time in a plain snaffle at every stage of their training” is just weird. It took my upper level jumper many years in all sorts of different tack to be rideable on the flat in a plain snaffle. And as trained as he is now, we still go to a gag in the jumper ring, and I can promise that I will never be able to ride him in a grand prix in a snaffle (and boy am I not short in company there!).
I had a mare that was a severe head flipper. Punched the kid I had riding her in the face a number of times even with a running martingale. Went to a standing and she broke a couple of them. Had a BNT put her back in a standing at a clinic and then tucked a rock under the noseband. She hit that once and suddenly was a lovely, rideable little thing. Bought a tack noseband and she lived in that for the next year. By the end of that year she was able to go without. I considered that noseband to be the turning point in her education that allowed her to go on and be a nice horse for the kid that bought her. Loved that it was self correcting and not anything the rider could impact in a negative manner.
Claudius - I believe I ordered mine from from a website that focused on another discipline and I can’t remember which to save my life. But this one looks really nice, and particularly because it’s convertible (I think)…it looks like you can remove and replace the strip with the studs on it.
Schneiders has one on sale, and the Joseph Sterling stuff is excellent quality: http://www.sstack.com/english_nosebandsbrowbandscavesons/pro-series-hunter-classic-stud-controller-noseband/
as usual I agree with PNWjumper entirely on the merits of tack nosebands. I haven’t used one myself but would rather see someone use one in the right situation than have to get handsy with a horse that could easily be fixed with something like this. Another alternative for schooling is a rope noseband, very common in the jumpers and same concept but seen as “nicer.” http://www.marystack.com/bobbys-english-tack-polo-rope-noseband.html
[QUOTE=tinah;7752400]
Your time would be far better used in tracking down a decent trainer who can teach you to ride than in slapping gadgets on your horse.[/QUOTE]
This.
And this.
[QUOTE=Nestor;7754436]
Because you’re not fixing the problem. The problem is that the horse isn’t accepting of the contact. Teaching him to duck behind the contact, as the tack noseband does, doesn’t solve the problem. Only time, patience, and correct riding will do that.
And anyone who thinks you need to count to 6, or 10, for a warmblood to respond, also needs to spend some time really riding. EVERY horse is as sharp, or as dull, as the rider makes them. I’ve seen the laziest lugs become light, forward, and supple with proper riding. It’s just rare to see someone who can actually ride properly.[/QUOTE]
Just an FYI - some horses can develop white hair / scars pretty easily from tack nose bands - I have known a chestnut that has permanent marks. She developed the white spots without ever breaking skin. I would be hesitant to use the Schneider’s one, as it looks like little hollow cylinders which could easily “take a bite” from their nose.
I am not a big fan of these - but if I were to use one, I would want one like my old h/J trainer had - smooth round numbs rather than these sharper looking points that many of them are made with (or the chain variety)
Looks like the “hollow cylinders” are just rivets. Bit much for my taste, those might leave a mark and might get the horse dropped back…or pissed.
Liked the rock under the noseband, once and done…and free.
[QUOTE=findeight;7754710]
Looks like the “hollow cylinders” are just rivets. Bit much for my taste, those might leave a mark and might get the horse dropped back…or pissed.[/QUOTE]
Ouch, yes, those look like they were pulled out of a hole puncher.
Anyone else remember the tack noseband thread from about 2001? It was a classic.
it looks to me like tiny solid rounded metal nubs, but I don’t know for sure. Call Schneiders and ask them for a side shot if you are interested in how far they stick out and what they are made of. Just posting the option for OP.
The schnierder’s ones clearly have a “hollow point” if you zoom in.
Most of these nose bands are way too “sharp” for my liking (here are some better photos).
The nose band my trainer had - had rivets shaped like THESE.
If I were to use this device - I think I would order up some rivets like the ones above and have them added to a nose band.
all the tack noseband does is help the noseband do its job, just like using a figure 8 or flash.
Like some bits are more harsh, some horses go in a simple snaffle others go in a double twisted wire. It’s not rocket science.
I have gotten several Private Messages warning me that mentioning this equipment will lead to a train wreck. I hoped it would lead to an exchange of experiences…not a rush to judgement just for the pure excitement of telling someone you know nothing of that they can not ride. Grow up people…just read and assess and learn and contribute if you have anything worth contributing. That’s all.
[QUOTE=vxf111;7754312]
I grew up doing APHA and had an eventing/pony club trainee for a while. Every once in a while I stumble upon some unspoken hunter rule I am breaking ;)[/QUOTE]
Real foxhunters have horses that tie. 
I thought everyone had horses that would tie?
Which is not to say that I condone leaving a horse tied to a trailer, alone, no eyes on it for hours on end-- but how do people show off a trailer when they’re by themselves if they don’t tie the horse to the trailer?! What a PITA otherwise!
[QUOTE=vxf111;7755422]
I thought everyone had horses that would tie?
Which is not to say that I condone leaving a horse tied to a trailer, alone, no eyes on it for hours on end-- but how do people show off a trailer when they’re by themselves if they don’t tie the horse to the trailer?! What a PITA otherwise![/QUOTE]
I have no clue. Mine all tie and the damn pony did at Devon. 
I got some hairy eyeballs from people I’ve know my WHOLE life!! One who I grew up with teased me to pay for a groom, I said “I’m the groom and my little man ties”.
Have to admit- best thing I took away from schooling shows was tying my guys.
It was rarely seen in my rated zone so if VX sees it achanging- let me know! That will loosen some wadded panties!
While I see no point in tack nose bands. Tying to a trailer? Even USPC allows that.
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