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[QUOTE=Bluey;6129857] but the one at the end of the tail is for … ?:lol:
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Now, I cannot remember where I read it, but I heard that the tail puff is so the hunter knows where the dog is when he dives. Can’t miss that pouf.
JrEventer - the stats on the website you posted are for all FOUR breeds of poodles: teacup, toy, miniture, and Standard. I’ll look up Standard only stats when I have time but it’s an ailment most typically dogs over 40 pounds experience…just ask your vet.
On the breeder requirements - that was my breeder who has had one of the most successful breeding programs in America and multiple-shows at Westminister. She can be picky but that of course doesn’t mean all breeding programs have the same requirements. She also wanted experienced St Poo owners so they would know the hair requirements. They aren’t labs or dobermins that just shed out.
Just looked it up and the Breeder’s main dog has produced the MOST NON-SPORTING GROUP and Standard Poodle CHAMPIONS in AKC History: King’s Champagne Taste - 147 Champions, direct.
I don’t know if ‘Andy’ is still alive or not, but the dogs are classic, elegant, smart, heathy, and show offs so even if you don’t show, they are amazing dogs!
The real purpose of the tail pouf is to cushion the impact of the furiously wagging tail against your leg.
I don’t think grooming is all that difficult to learn if you have a good teacher, and a well-mannered dog, and if you aren’t worried about perfection. I used to use hand clippers on my Mini Schnauzer, (he was too smart to let me near him with real electric clippers) and it came out very nicely. And if it’s a little uneven when you are learning, then it will grow and even out soon. I also clipped first and then bathed. His fur would mat when too long when it got wet, so I did it that way. And for bathing them (and cleaning the tub or shower stall) I have handheld shower heads on all of my showerheads. The hand held shower nozzles, and a nice bath rubber mat, and a couple of nice fluffy towels and bathing is a breeze. I also used a nice hair catcher device when I bathed him also, so I didn’t clog the drain with hair.
I LOVE my standard poodle. He has enough energy to keep up with an 11 year old boy, and a crazy standard schnauzer. He is smart, smart,smart. Will run and jump and play, until he comes in, then it is the sofest comfiest place to rest, or under your feet. He is the best dog. He has been trained in agility, rally, obedience and nosework. He would love to be a bird dog though, he does point. I keep his hair short, though sometimes do a puffy head and legs. He is easy to clip. I hate keeping his ears hair free, but he is fine with it. Tex will be 5 in July, and is very healthy.
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JrEventer - the stats on the website you posted are for all FOUR breeds of poodles: teacup, toy, miniture, and Standard. I’ll look up Standard only stats when I have time but it’s an ailment most typically dogs over 40 pounds experience…just ask your vet.
On the breeder requirements - that was my breeder who has had one of the most successful breeding programs in America and multiple-shows at Westminister. She can be picky but that of course doesn’t mean all breeding programs have the same requirements. She also wanted experienced St Poo owners so they would know the hair requirements. They aren’t labs or dobermins that just shed out.[/QUOTE]
Not trying to get into an argument over this:)
But AKC and CKC both do not recognize teacup poodles (according to their websites). I am well aware the statistics are for all three varieties of poodles. And I am well aware the rate of hip/elbow dysplasia increases with size dog. And I am well aware that the poorly bred dogs (standards and other breeds) are not getting any health tests done so they aren’t in the statistics. But I still contend that the statistics for standard poodles with HD is below 40%. I know what breeds we see with HD in-I deal with it everyday:) Again I fully advocate radiographing all dogs hips and elbows. All of mine are done regardless of if they are being bred. They also get eyes cerfed and thyroids checked.
I guess my point was if you are going to throw a statistic out there please have the research to show us where it came from.
And yes I understand those are your breeder’s requirements-picky/strict breeders are great. I just want to make sure people interested in getting a standard from the first time aren’t scared away from looking into getting a pet from a show breeder. I think sometimes people end up getting a dog from a poorer quality breeder because they are scared to approach the show breeders/big names in the breed. Don’t be-they have pet quality puppies and most of them want nothing more then for that dog to end up in a good home. My poodles came from a top show breeder-I did not want to show my poodle in conformation (my Belgians show conformation). The breeder was thrilled to have one of his dogs being bought to do obedience and agility. Just thought it was the coolest thing!
I do think it is very important to understand the hair requirements. But again, depending on your use for the poodle it can be pretty low maintenance. My poodle was in a full show clip till a year old. Since then he has been in numerous clips. Currently-shaved with a #5 on his body, comb on the legs once a month, brushed out once weekly. Goes to the barn, runs/swims/etc. Gets his bath once a week (or hosed at the barn when he rolls in stuff:) So he is very low maintenance. Now my sister’s two are both in long clips as she uses them for grooming competitions. She gringes at my poodle’s haircut!
So, totally off topic, but does anyone else’s Spoo pace? One of my guys will trot if I am moving fast enough or when he is off leash, but when I walk him on leash, and I am moving too slow, he will pace.
As everyone else have said Standards are the best. I’m on #2 and #3 now. My first standard died about a year and a half ago. Cooper was the best dog ever…he was such a gentleman and he could go anywhere and was loved and well behaved. He lived till he was almost 15.
My second dog is a high energy rescue. He was crazy when I got him…but I don’t think he’d ever been socialized and didn’t understand how his bounciness and over zealousness to see other dogs was misinterpreted. He is now doing agility and rally work and since I gave him a job he’s really changed. actually the loss of Cooper was our turning point…his whole personality changed when his buddy died. Caesar is my guard dog. Noone can get near my car when I’m not in it, nor my house. He actually scares people becuase he’s so protective. I never thought a poodle would be that kind of guard dog. I would love to do some hunting or tracking with him - he just loves agility so much but he can get obsessive over little animals and wants to hunt them…can be very intense when the hunting instinct comes alive.
Maddie is my youngest and she’s a love. She has energy to run around the yard, but she’s super quiet in the house. And she loves everyone. She is super super smart too and will come up to me with a really low bark when she needs to go outside or if its time to eat dinner.
The poster who said “poodles also like to playfully peck other animals with their snouts, like a chicken pecking another bird. My guys will sometimes substitute a poke with a paw instead of a peck with the snout. Smaller dogs can find this pecking and poking rather frightening.” this was spot on especially about Caesar.
He pecks everything that runs from him or won’t play with him…its a game…Maddie on the other hand uses her paw…she often paws the cats to try to get them to play and they usually just roll over and wait her out until she gets bored…lol
There is nothing like owning a Standard. Clipping is easy, especially if you just keep them short. And some standards don’t have as much ear hair as others so not all are a pain. They are young dogs at heart even when they are old…just really, really happy members of your family. And they will want to go everywhere with you!
Now, I cannot remember where I read it, but I heard that the tail puff is so the hunter knows where the dog is when he dives. Can’t miss that pouf.
all the pictures I’ve seen of poodles actually engaged in bird-hunting they are in smooth close-shaved clips with not a pouf or a pompom to be seen.
Sorry but I couldn’t find a digital reference to the hip statistic but honestly, I looked only 2 mins…because…
The AKC will not let anything less than good or excellent in the show ring, that’s why hip certs are in the papers if you buy one with papers.
Just go to a show and sit in the audience and visit. You will find your crowd of Std Poos and the personality of the dogs is guided by the owners/breeders/handlers so just have fun and the right dog will find you.
I’m sorry if I didn’t mention before that AKC show dogs MUST get good or excellent hips just to enter the ring.
No one should be intimidated by shows or show breeders. Half the litter is not show quality, so all breeders are always looking for buyers for pet quality. It may be because of color, teeth, trot, tail carriage, showmanship, etc. Out of 12 dogs, one will be a runt and 5 more, not conformationally or genetically show quality. By genetics, I mean a white, apricot, brown with green eyes - it has a double recessive fraught and will not be allowed in the ring. Personally, I love color and green eyes so swipe thes up. Black with green eyes is the only one allowed in the ring bit brown eyes on all is most typical.
Just go to a show and have fun, like I said, the right dog/breeder will find you.
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So, totally off topic, but does anyone else’s Spoo pace? One of my guys will trot if I am moving fast enough or when he is off leash, but when I walk him on leash, and I am moving too slow, he will pace.[/QUOTE]
Yes, my guys often pace when I have them on leash and am moving at a brisk walk. I think it’s because my walking speed is not comfortable for them: too fast for a walk and too slow for a trot. They don’t pace off leash unless they are tired.
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Sorry but I couldn’t find a digital reference to the hip statistic but honestly, I looked only 2 mins…because…
The AKC will not let anything less than good or excellent in the show ring, that’s why hip certs are in the papers if you buy one with papers.
Just go to a show and sit in the audience and visit. You will find your crowd of Std Poos and the personality of the dogs is guided by the owners/breeders/handlers so just have fun and the right dog will find you.
I’m sorry if I didn’t mention before that AKC show dogs MUST get good or excellent hips just to enter the ring.
No one should be intimidated by shows or show breeders. Half the litter is not show quality, so all breeders are always looking for buyers for pet quality. It may be because of color, teeth, trot, tail carriage, showmanship, etc. Out of 12 dogs, one will be a runt and 5 more, not conformationally or genetically show quality. By genetics, I mean a white, apricot, brown with green eyes - it has a double recessive fraught and will not be allowed in the ring. Personally, I love color and green eyes so swipe thes up. Black with green eyes is the only one allowed in the ring bit brown eyes on all is most typical.
Just go to a show and have fun, like I said, the right dog/breeder will find you.[/QUOTE]
Eggplant,
I too don’t want an argument over hip statistics, but I’ve had Standard Poodles for years and have never heard anything remotely approaching a 40% rate. And as regards your comments that the AKC “will not let anything less than good or excellent in the show ring” and that “AKC show dogs must get good or excellent hips just to enter the ring”, puppies can be shown for the first time at 6 months. The OFA will not certify a dog’s hips until it is 2 years old. So dogs enter the ring all the time without any any kind of rating. It is entirely possible to finish a dog, at say a year, and then when the hips are x-rayed, even preliminarily, find out they are rated fair or less.
Also, can you please explain your comment on black with green eyes being the only one allowed in the ring. The poodle breed standard calls for “Eyes: very dark, oval in shape and set far enough apart and positioned to create an alert intelligent expression. Major fault: eyes round, protruding, large, or very light.” I’ve never seen a black with green eyes in the ring.
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Yes, my guys often pace when I have them on leash and am moving at a brisk walk. I think it’s because my walking speed is not comfortable for them: too fast for a walk and too slow for a trot. They don’t pace off leash unless they are tired.[/QUOTE]
That was how I interpreted the pace, but good to know it isn’t just mine.
Thanks :)!
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Eggplant,
I too don’t want an argument over hip statistics, but I’ve had Standard Poodles for years and have never heard anything remotely approaching a 40% rate. And as regards your comments that the AKC “will not let anything less than good or excellent in the show ring” and that “AKC show dogs must get good or excellent hips just to enter the ring”, puppies can be shown for the first time at 6 months. The OFA will not certify a dog’s hips until it is 2 years old. So dogs enter the ring all the time without any any kind of rating. It is entirely possible to finish a dog, at say a year, and then when the hips are x-rayed, even preliminarily, find out they are rated fair or less.
Also, can you please explain your comment on black with green eyes being the only one allowed in the ring. The poodle breed standard calls for “Eyes: very dark, oval in shape and set far enough apart and positioned to create an alert intelligent expression. Major fault: eyes round, protruding, large, or very light.” I’ve never seen a black with green eyes in the ring.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that to show a conformation dog in AKC, UKC, CKC (the canadian one, not the puppy mill Continental one) all you need is a duly registered dog in the association that host the show and that the dog is eligible for that class.
That means the right breed and type, puppy, bred by owner or whatever kind of class you want to enter.
No one requires any other from the dogs that show.
If you want to bring a very poor specimen of a dog suitable for any class, be it lame, the wrong color or size, the judge will just not consider your dog for a placement or disqualify it outright.
I’m coming to this topic late (as usual) but I bred and showed Poodles (Standard and Mini) for 25+ years and have written many books about them and they are excessively wonderful dogs. It’s their temperament that sets them apart I think. They are smart, people-oriented and incredibly willing to please. They also have a wonderful sense of humor. If you don’t want a dog that makes you laugh every day, a Poodle is probably the wrong breed for you. 
Poodles have a number of genetic issues (as do most breeds) but conscientiously breeders are aware of health concerns and screening for them constantly. The Poodle Club of America website (www.poodleclubofamerica.org ) is a wealth of information for anyone who’s interested in getting a Poodle or just learning more about them. It will also point the way to breeders and rescues in your area. 
I don’t know where Eggplant is getting her information but just about everything in this post is factually incorrect:
Not knowing much about poodles it still made for a fun read though.
I don’t think I have ever seen a dog with green eyes…:lol:
And I am pretty sure Westminster was full of white poodles, it seems to be a popular color.
Wow guys, I didn’t realize there were so many poodles on here!
I’m wondering if it is worth it just to buy from a breeder and get a dog that has all the health screenings done. I looked at breeders and dogs range from ~$400 to over $2000! Obviously it would take some time to look into breeders, what health screenings they do, etc.
I would really like to adopt, but I’m not finding anything in the age range I want. Dogs are all over 2-3 years, and although I have nothing wrong with getting an older dog, I definitely want a dog that will be around for a long time.
I love the link posted of the red poodles! That is exactly what I’m looking for, a dog that isn’t really bred for the show ring, but bred to do what they were supposed to do. I think I might have to contact them and see what their pups cost, if they have any older dogs up for adoption, etc.
Best do, and tend to get ear infections if hair is not removed regularly as well. They are playful, loyal, and SMART. New Standard Parti puppy Jackson,[IMG]http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/49933/2689256970100070619S200x200Q85.jpg) arrived on Sunday and he is almost housebroken and knows “sit.”
Here are Sasha (silver) and Oliver:
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I can’t imagine now having another breed.
I LOVE your books. I cannot recommend them highly enough for poodle and dog folks. I wish that you were still writing them!
A couple of things… about adoption: back when I was very involved with the breed, the rescue groups affiliated with the Poodle clubs I belonged to always had waiting lists. We had many more people who wanted to adopt than we did Poodles needing homes. I’m not sure if that’s still true but, generally speaking, there are not a lot of purebred Poodles around looking for homes.
As for genetic testing, it’s really key to getting a healthy Poodle. As soon as a breeder tells you “I don’t test for that because I don’t have it in my line” you should quickly walk away and not look back.
All conscientious breeders test. They have to. No matter what you’re told, ask to see the actual results and certificates. It’s not an insult to look out for your own interests and any good breeder will be happy to show you. The bad ones are hoping that you’ll fall in love with a cute puppy and forget to do your due diligence.
