Tariffs impacting showing

[Peggy]

@Annie10

According to the article they are. Not all college students but students just the same. In any event not ALL visas
They are all student/job education involved

My reading of this and other articles is that F, M, and J visa applicants need to set their social media profiles to public. Since F, M and many J visas are student related, I think this has gotten simplified to “student visas” by the press. But not all J visas are students. Here is the State Department memo which lists the visa types by letter but does not use the word student: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/06/announcement-of-expanded-screening-and-vetting-for-visa-applicants/

Here is a list of categories covered by J visas: https://j1visa.state.gov/programs/ Seems like trainee (working student), specialist (coach, trainer, rider), and au pair (live with family, provide childcare, and also ride) are all categories that could apply to equestrians.

[Amberley]

Competitors (athletes) will likely be O or P. They won’t shut those down till after the Olympics I bet. If we still have a summer Olympics,

[ThreeWishes]

If I were an athlete from a different country I think I’d seriously consider staying out of the US. Too much of a fustercluck

[poltroon]

I’m pretty sure that J is the proper visa type for any international clinician/visiting coach.

[cristalle]

This is the kind of inflammatory, confrontational and derogatory - not to mention INACCURATE - things the American President is posting publicly.
Being a bully may have worked for him so far but it won’t work with Canada.
He announced tariffs in violation of a trade agreement he himself signed - and of course bragged about at the time -
and he’s pissed because his decision is backfiring on America and Americans.
#ElbowsUpCanada

[Willesdon]

Discussions about which types of visa a traveller/visitor to the USA requires misses the point that at the moment travellers, regardless of their visa status, are being subject random and erratic barriers to their entry to the USA. At best they are deported immediately. At worst, they vanish into detention for an indeterminate period. Is it any surprise that tourism to the US has crashed and former long-term allies now issue travel warnings to their citizens about going to America? The world is a large place but isolationist America is actually getting smaller and smaller.

[Calvincrowe]

And deportation is very impactful-- there is often a ban of years up to permanently prevented from coming to America, even for a vacation. The path back here is difficult, expensive and requires legal representation. We toss the word ‘deported’ around far too casually. Immigration and deportation are poorly understood by most Americans (and dare I say, most of the world’s population). Asylum seekers are “doing it the right way” by “legally seeking asylum in the US”. Not sure how people think you immigrate.

We are not traveling abroad this year due to the chaos and uptick in violence in the ME in particular. Not worth the risk. And we are watching our budget very carefully as well.

[kenyarider]

I hear you. Though it is such a sad thing to read. We are becoming a nation of people afraid of their government and the world. Makes me sad to see.

[Amberley]

Well our barn manager lost her health insurance a few hours ago with the passage of that bill. And so did the assistant and probably my vets techs because it’s an independent practice. And our local hospital with an ER and trauma staff will probably close before the end of the year which means it’s probably a 2 hour ambulance ride if you have an accident on a workday. Assuming the ambulance shows up because the fire station is completely out of money and it’s early July. I doubt the local schooling shows can run without the emts on call and we likely won’t have local emt service soon.

Great, just perfect. I am really glad we are leaving and we only have one horse left in the USA. I hope it was worth it for the people who show at wef to have a bit more money to spend there next year.

[Peggy]

IIRC the reductions in medicaid, etc, mostly don’t start until the 2027 fiscal year, conveniently after the 2026 midterms.

So people have some time. Sort of. Bc how does one, or society in general, even begin to prepare for this. And it will affect far more people in the horse industry than many realize.

And there’s more money for immigration support starting now.

Source- https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-passes-big-bill-cutting-183136907.html

[Amberley]

It’s impacting hospitals now, some have already internally announced they will close and given a date in the next 18 months. Remember they negotiate union agreements for 3-5 years for a lot of staff. They buy equipment on payment plans typically and it comes with a mandatory service plan which is quite expensive. They have contracts for supplies, laundry, pharmacists, etc. Some are required to have certain types of doctors or nurses etc on call 24/7 and they sign annual or longer contracts for that too.

Many can no longer project income to cover those contracts. When time comes to renew they won’t be allowed to by their own charters quite often. Rural hospitals are already struggling to provide ob services, oncology and neurology. Losing PSLF made it much harder to keep people. This will make it worse.

Hospitals will likely start to close in August, I know for sure one in the greater pnw has already informed staff in writing.

Is it possible they can negotiate month to month agreements or get concessions from unions? Probably not because everyone else has bills to pay too.

You can see if your local hospital is at risk here. Do you want to go to a horse show or a xc clinic if any fall means paying for an air ambulance or a 2 hour ambulance ride? https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/letter_on_rural_hospitals.pdf

[NaturallyHappy]

Oh my goodness!

[Annie10]

@Amberley

Well our barn manager lost her health insurance a few hours ago with the passage of that bill. And so did the assistant and probably my vets techs because it’s an independent practice. And our local hospital with an ER and trauma staff will probably close before the end of the year which means it’s probably a 2 hour ambulance ride if you have an accident on a workday. Assuming the ambulance shows up because the fire station is completely out of money and it’s early July. I doubt the local schooling shows can run without the emts on call and we likely won’t have local emt service soon.

Great, just perfect. I am really glad we are leaving and we only have one horse left in the USA. I hope it was worth it for the people who show at wef to have a bit more money to spend there next year.

I’m sorry, but how did that bill cause a loss of insurance and sudden closure of the ER?
I’ll admit to not having read the entire bill
So I may have missed something

[enjoytheride]

How did your barn manager lose her health insurance the same day the bill passed? Did she receive notification? What part of the bill ended her insurance?

I don’t want to get into politics, and I was strongly against this bill, but I’m wondering how she lost insurance the same day the bill passed and how the hospital is already closing.

[Amberley]

Are people not able to understand the passage of time?

She didn’t lose it today but it’s gone in the very near future and it’s the only way she could afford to work with horses. She’s 34 and has experience working in construction management. We will 100% lose her to the next full time job offer she gets and I know she’s applying already.

I also know some self employed people who say they will get out of horses in the next year or so as they can afford to get hurt and can’t afford the $3k/ month unsubsidized plans. One is out bodyworker, she’ll finish this season then look for full time work with an employer plan.

[enjoytheride]

I understand the passage of time. I’m asking what part of the bill has terminated your BM’s health insurance.

[Pennywell_Bay]

Though I’m not sure about insurance, hospitals and clinics have already announced future closures in anticipation of the bill passing. I supposed it’s a possibility insurance announced cancellation of policies, but I hadn’t heard that piece.

[Amberley]

Seriously? Do people not understand how the state health care exchanges work? That is a huge indictment of the US media.

[Scribbler]

@enjoytheride

I understand the passage of time. I’m asking what part of the bill has terminated your BM’s health insurance.

I am a Canadian so I won’t presume to explain American bureaucracy in detail. But you can look up any legitimate news site like CNN and see it all spelled out, how it effects both individuals and hospitals. It’s been a topic of discussion for months now, as well as debated at public town hall meetings with Congress reps.

[poltroon]

Here’s a link broadly covering some of the impacts to health insurance, including that plans on the exchange are projected to increase by 75% by the end of the year. These plans can cost ~ $1k/month per person, so for a small family this could easily be an additional $2000 per month.

I would say that this is soon enough that it may require those people to act immediately to find new options, especially if it means changing employment.

I recently had a situation where my employer changed to a new group plan - that despite assurances, despite the fact that all my doctors were in-network, when we got to enrollment, the new plan would not cover my specific zip code. Which we discovered 16 calendar days before the old plan expired, despite everyone on our side being very careful and thoughtful.

Fortunately, I was able to quickly enroll in the exchange which was my only option. (COBRA isn’t even a thing when your group plan terminates.) The new rules will make that dramatically harder and more bureaucratic because I would have had to prove that my plan was ending and upload all kinds of documents.

Back in the pre-ACA days, I learned that I was uninsurable as an individual, at any price, even though as far as I was concerned I was healthy and not taking any medications or being treated for any ongoing condition.

I am to the point in my life when I realize how incredibly risky it is for me to ride without being covered by health insurance. Yes they have to treat you, but yes the debt could be life-changing.

Not to mention that two of the nearest hospitals are on the list that is circulating of at risk of closure with the upcoming changes.

If you’ve got workers, highly recommend figuring out if you can purchase a group health insurance plan if you haven’t already.