Also forgot Columbia (the poster) started a thread about a TB standing in Florida for sporthorses that is from my mare’s female family. I found that really strange this line found it’s way over there. Not much need for the stamina in this pedigree over there. I think it was Stella’s 3rd or 4th dam that was 4th in the Irish Oaks.
Terri
[QUOTE=PineTreeFarm;5803745]
It all depends
I’m older.
My Halo grandson is called Halo because he wears one. Takes a joke and is Ammie friendly.
He looks like a WB and has more bone than most TB’s that I’ve owned ( and that would be a lot of horses over many years ).
There are exceptions.
They have been a success as sporthorses as evidenced by the USEF sire lists.
I hate to dismiss an entire bloodline family.[/QUOTE]
to me “it depends” on how you are shopping. If I saw a horse with Mr. P/not my fave in it with clean legs would I turn it down? no. I would look at that horse in front of me over all else. Would I breed that mare to another horse from Raise A Native lines? Absolutely not. Unbridled lines though that one I would turn down flat. “trends” I think are important in breeding though. Is it the be all and end all? no. Do you want to breed 2 bloodlines together that tend to have the same negative family traits though? No. I would turn down flat the horse linebred to Mr.P or Raise A Native. It is just asking for problems. Looking at it a different way though…if I have a lot of horses to look at and I don’t like the pedigree on paper all that much I am far more likely to pass it over and not go look at the horse in the first place.
well I took in a mare whom I love - off of Canter - 2nd jen Relaunch on top with mare line on top to Sensitive Prince
on the bottom, on top 2nd gen Fappiano and on the bottom seond gen Relaunch again.
Giant shoulder, great back end - we shall see! Prego to Sir Wanabi -
Granted they’d be pretty far back now but I love the combined lines of Royal Charger, Bull Lea and Sun Again.
[QUOTE=camohn;5803661]
. Hoist The Flag is a mixed bag of usually talented jumpers, good movers and stubborn tempered. The Bold Rulers are similarly talented but quirky horses.Not “bad”…just often forward and opinionated…maybe better suited to being eventers than hunters.[/QUOTE]
I have a TB mare that is Hoist The Flag top and bottom. She has the best disposition, as do all five of her foals. She is easy to ride, handle, and adopts all my foals as her own with loving care. (I am no longer breeding her)
My gelding is out of a Bold Ruler gdtr, and is slow and steady and takes care of his rider on course.
[QUOTE=AppJumpr08;5803208]
Missy Baba (Raja Baba)[/QUOTE]
:yes: Missy Baba, Gay Missile - that whole family.
go back a generation to Uvira. 
[QUOTE=Fred;5807588]
:yes: Missy Baba, Gay Missile - that whole family.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=vineyridge;5807683]
go back a generation to Uvira. :)[/QUOTE]
:yes: agree Uvira, Missy Baba, Gay Missile and their descendants. A wonderful, prolific family of both stallions and mares.
I’m really big on Princequillo. In addition to soundness/leg issues he helps correct, I think that this line also sometimes offsets the crankiness of something like a Roberto line. Closer up I look for a Stage Door Johnny or Silent Screen. These can put a really lovely front on a horse too - my Silent Screen mare got 8s from two different wb registries on her front - definitely not downhill and lovely long necks soft on the undermuscle.
Damascus, Double Jay if you can find it anywhere close, second the Indian Hemp (making me a fan of TV Lark and Quack), and if you get the right temperment and other aspects a lot of Nasrullahs and Bold Rulers have made their way to the hunter ring, under their right names or, more often, not. Secretariat through a dam line. For the Unbridled issues, if jumper is more to you mind than hunter, Just a Jet (see the thread here by r3dd… on grand prix jumpers bred here in the US) is by Unbridled Jet.
Graustark (or Key to the Mint), Herbager, Eight Thirty, and also second the Royal Charger and Bull Lea. He won’t be close up, but if you found some Son in Law line breeding that might get a second look as well. Fred (A Fine Romance) has a lot of lines that get mentioned and has performance offspring on the ground to boot. They can sometimes be stubborn, but Roberto in the mare line IMO can add ‘pretty’ and the ones I have known were all good moms too (not a performance characteristic but nice for a breeder)
[QUOTE=mbp;5807909]
I’m really big on Princequillo. In addition to soundness/leg issues he helps correct, I think that this line also sometimes offsets the crankiness of something like a Roberto line. Closer up I look for a Stage Door Johnny or Silent Screen. These can put a really lovely front on a horse too - my Silent Screen mare got 8s from two different wb registries on her front - definitely not downhill and lovely long necks soft on the undermuscle.
Damascus, Double Jay if you can find it anywhere close, second the Indian Hemp (making me a fan of TV Lark and Quack), and if you get the right temperment and other aspects a lot of Nasrullahs and Bold Rulers have made their way to the hunter ring, under their right names or, more often, not. Secretariat through a dam line. For the Unbridled issues, if jumper is more to you mind than hunter, Just a Jet (see the thread here by r3dd… on grand prix jumpers bred here in the US) is by Unbridled Jet.
Graustark (or Key to the Mint), Herbager, Eight Thirty, and also second the Royal Charger and Bull Lea. He won’t be close up, but if you found some Son in Law line breeding that might get a second look as well. Fred (A Fine Romance) has a lot of lines that get mentioned and has performance offspring on the ground to boot. They can sometimes be stubborn, but Roberto in the mare line IMO can add ‘pretty’ and the ones I have known were all good moms too (not a performance characteristic but nice for a breeder)[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much for including A Fine Romance mpb. I am proud of his pedigree (as well as his performance offspring).
Linebred 4x4 Nasrullah, 5x5 Princequillo with Double Jay,Bold Ruler Royal Charger, Turn-to, Gay Missile, Missy Baba, Uvira, Umidwar, Somethingroyal (dam of Secretriat), Windfields, Bunty Lawless,Bull Lea etc.
www.pedigreequery.com/a+fine+romance.
[QUOTE=ponygirl;5805445]
This guy right?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-365764[/QUOTE]
Yup, that’s him. The dam side must have something to the height. My mare is 16.2 but there is a lot of her! She’s in an 84" rug. She throws an awful lot of size for sure. I’m planning on toning it down next year for breeding. Smaller and compact please. Mind you Stell’s mom was only about 16 hands but again a lot of her but her sister was around 16.3. She’s a point to point winner with numerous placings too. The sister also had her pic in the Irish Field one week due to a spetacular fall she took when being brought down by another horse at the last fence. So probably can add hardy to the list as well because the following week is when she won a race!
Terri
You know, the great “old” bloodlines have been discussed over and over and we all pretty much agree on who they are. We have also agreed that avoiding too much Mr. P and Northern Dancer so prevalent in today’s Thoroughbreds is advisable as well, although the individual and which branch they descend through is also important. However, is anyone trying to really look at the ones available today or those who we like that may be pensioned or deceased, but have viable produce, that descend from the lines we like so much? Isn’t it time we do that? I know that in more recent history we have Pleasant Colony and Pleasant Tap, although I think both are gone, they have produce out there. I love Wild Again, I think he is very consistent and his lineage in a pedigree gets my attention. It’s too bad Charismatic was shipped to Japan, he was a lovely type and pedigree. Some of his might be out there with so much shipping around. I know Native Dancer gets bashed, but I love his type and some of his sons and their produce – like Jig Time and his sons Darn That Alarm (Pistols and Roses) and Strong Performance, High Echelon and Native Charger to name a few. I’ve had very positive results using the Jig Times and my mare by Strong Performance is spectacular. Alydar is a RAN son who has proven himself as a good sporthorse sire and line, many still around. So, I think we should spend more time identifying some more recent day stallions and bloodlines that we can use and see who goes back to those lines we like, particularly those with several crosses. I get excited when I see the older lines close up in a pedigree and I have some, but we have to look forward. JMHO
PennyG
Penny I totally agree and I’d also like to figure out a way to have more research available for mare families for sport.
The FF from Germany is a great example.
Terri
The Irish TB “Caro”
[QUOTE=mbp;5807909]
I’m really big on Princequillo. In addition to soundness/leg issues he helps correct, I think that this line also sometimes offsets the crankiness of something like a Roberto line. Closer up I look for a Stage Door Johnny or Silent Screen. These can put a really lovely front on a horse too - my Silent Screen mare got 8s from two different wb registries on her front - definitely not downhill and lovely long necks soft on the undermuscle.
Graustark (or Key to the Mint), Herbager, Eight Thirty, and also second the Royal Charger and Bull Lea. He won’t be close up, but if you found some Son in Law line breeding that might get a second look as well. Fred (A Fine Romance) has a lot of lines that get mentioned and has performance offspring on the ground to boot. They can sometimes be stubborn, but Roberto in the mare line IMO can add ‘pretty’ and the ones I have known were all good moms too (not a performance characteristic but nice for a breeder)[/QUOTE]
I love what my Key to the Mint mare produces. I really like that line
Penny, I know that we all know about the older lines from before all the perceived changes in US racing. But I was reading something that made a huge impression. Forget where or who, but it described “the PRECIOUS Hyperion blood”. I’m not sure that anyone should attempt to breed a sport TB without Hyperion; and I’d add Blandford to that. The more of those two guys, the better.
Viney, I absolutely adore Hyperion and have it in spades in my foundation breeding stock through several lines. I’m not criticizing the knowledge of these lines. I just want to see it brought forward, especially in multiple crosses, in current lines. We are losing so many great marelines to warmblood breeders. I’d love to figure out how to isolate some sirelines and a way to buy stallions that represent lines and type for use as a sport sire. Hopefully, the mares from good lines could follow. It’s a dream, not likely for me to do, but I’d love to preserve the Thoroughbred in sport. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a farm standing Thoroughbred stallions for sport like so many of the wb’s have and a band of Thoroughbred mares to keep the 100% Thoroughbreds in sport…That would be a good way we can prove the validity and continuing need for the Thoroughbred in the sport disciplines. They still have the ability and heart just a diminished interest from the masses which is a great shame!
PennyG
Well if I was in the market for a new horse I’d want to find one with bloodlines like these 2 - only I’d have to settle for grandget of their sires and dams by this time:
Penny- I need a “like” button. Very well said!
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