Very nice pedigrees
I posted a general list earlier…but for more current horses here are the 2 best mares I have owned:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/pirates+widow
she was just euthanized this summer due to a pasture injury. she rec’d a score in the high 7s at her mare inspections with a bruised foot…so at her best would probably have been a premium score. She was an easy/laid back horse.
and
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forever+noted
she did get an 8 at her mare inspection with RPSI and was reserve champion mare over WBs are her inspection. She was a sensitive sort but stunning looking horse. I only sold her as I wanted to buy my former stallion at the time and had to sell someone to be able to buy him!
He was a wonderful horse
http://www.pedigreequery.com/wild+by+design
so I don’t regret the choice
speaking of Gay Missile–Shiraz, a full TB, who just this day finished clear XC at the Burghley 4* event with his rider, Colleen Rutledge, is by Gallapiat (Buckpasser x Gay Missile). He moved up from 72nd after dressage to 23rd with only 9.3 time penalties. Horse and rider finished 12th at Rolex this spring.
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speaking of Gay Missile–Shiraz, a full TB, who just this day finished clear XC at the Burghley 4* event with his rider, Colleen Rutledge, is by Gallapiat (Buckpasser x Gay Missile). He moved up from 72nd after dressage to 23rd with only 9.3 time penalties. Horse and rider finished 12th at Rolex this spring.[/QUOTE]
Great news, thanks for that viney!!
It looks like the TBs are dominating at Burghley…
(Gay Missile is also the dam of Brave Shot (Bold Bidder - Gay Missile) who is the sire of AFR and my mare Devon Girl)
Shiraz = Bold and Burley (JC) At the end of XC, he moved up 30 odd places and is now at 40th.
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Shiraz = Bold and Burley (JC) At the end of XC, he moved up 30 odd places and is now at 40th.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that info. Viney!
Just a note…there is that Tail Female 20-a going back to Sunmelia, as mentioned in the recent thread Equilibrium put up regarding the German TB stallion, My Happy Guest:
I commented on the Sunmelia tail female on a thread on the eventing board. IMO, Princess Camelia through Camelina is just about the only other Royal Canopy (Bonne Nuit’s sire) that survives. I’m prejudiced, though, since my old man (now deceased) was a descendant through the Nimble Doll son, Whistling Kettle. My guy had a lovely, lovely sport horse pedigree and was a talented jumper and dressage horse who was also a hunt whip’s horse before he became my field hunter. He had classic conformation–looked very much like his great something ancestor, Pharos–, and had the loveliest ears you can imagine. Sire line was Bold Bidder, but he had the Bold Ruler temperament, not the Bold Bidder one that is infamous.
I give credit to the Buckpasser line (Buckfinder was in the Eventing Magazine severalyears ago as one of the top three influencial stallions in Eventing too)…for the typey good looks of my breeding program. Claim to Fame’s TB dam, Akula, was from that line. Counterclaim, his homozygous son, is 75% TB, linebred on both sides to three horse of the year TB’s…
I agree, you can’t beat those great athletes!!!
There is a line of 20-a still producing here through the mare Don’t Care. She threw up a surprise group winner in Tournedeos. She has a daughter out there by Hawk Wing I’d like to find.
And I know I came across one that was kind of National Hunty but am drawing a blank. Will try and find!
Terri
Eeh, meant to add, I would take her on over to Last News for a registered TB!
Terri
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Eeh, meant to add, I would take her on over to Last News for a registered TB!
Terri[/QUOTE]
Holy Mackerel…look at the pic of him on onlinepedigree:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/last+news
I was thinking along the same lines, Terri, as I wanted to take both my TB mares to Triple Twist:cry:
Thing is…my 20-a mare gives exactly the height of the stallion, whether he is 16H, or 17.2H, and she would not add height to “Trey”. She is a very old-style elegant hunter-type. WONDERFUL broodmare…catches easily, foals quickly/easily, babies are up & nursing with no intervention, and bags up like a Jersey…plus, all her babies know their way elegantly over a fence. AND, she has this gorgeous almond-shaped eye:)
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Camass&sex=&color=&dog_breed=any&birthyear=&birthland=
Terri, the Hawk Wing filly is now somewhere in the Middle East, per PedigreeQuery.
I have actually had a lot of luck with Mr. P lines, I wouldn’t want him for a horse I intended to race, but as a sport horse, count me in! In his line you won’t find lot of depth to the hip, but with a good WB stally that can be fixed. The Mr. P’s do have a tendency to be “one-person horses”, but once you earn their trust, you will have a real contender.
Kris S is doing well, and always look for those with South American breeding, now THOSE are the stuff! Sound, sound minded, good bones, the South American breeders are sneaking up on us fast!
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Terri, the Hawk Wing filly is now somewhere in the Middle East, per PedigreeQuery.[/QUOTE]
That figures! I know there are a few others from that lineage around here. Will have to wait until the breeding stock sales come up. And if nothing there I’m sure someone would let me do a free lease for a full TB foal. Only kicker is I will probably have to pay the stallion activation fee with Weatherby’s such as these things work. But still it would be interesting to get a full TB from this mare line with Last News on top. Would be rare. Of course I would want a filly! Trying to convince people a colt from this line would be worthy would probably be difficult. And I just can’t keep colts around the place.
Terri
Bornfreenowexspensive Loveton looks fantastic! Congratulations! (the Sunnys Halo is probably what makes him so pretty)
Farrier postponed today, soooo, I have this mare:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/slew+dinkum
I, personally, like the Slew-breds. Though my mare is only 16.1 and rather light, she has produced tall (Evansville Slew is 17H, and many of his kids are that tall) with great bone three times so far, and this when bred to 16.1H and
16H stallions.
She has very light, lofty movement, quick hindleg, and is very flexible and balanced. I’m not sure where that comes from, pedigree-wise, and though it’s great for me, the loftiness is not the movement mechanics that wins races, and so would definitely not be purposefully reproduced in race breeding.
We touched on the Canadian horses in her pedigree who are good for non-racing sport in the recent Victoria Park thread:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316323&highlight=Victoria+Park
The tail female line is solid NZ back to the 1880’s…I don’t think this is very usual to find. I think the addition of Fair Trial through son Fairs Fair is a good one for sport.
Hope you don’t mind some pics to illustrate the movement mechanics. The bay is her 2007 (first) foal by RPSI Holsteiner Landonn I (Lordship/Ariadus/Lorenz). Grey is 2009 gelding by a Bugatti Hilltop/Parabol/Flis stallion, (who is now gelded and in H/J training with Jen Nadalin).
http://www.selahwaysporthorses.com/bella_and_david_gallop.html?r=20110806090728
Pasture vid of the bay 16.3 4y.o., recently gelded before going to his new eventing home:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lr32ccmqBw
Pasture vid of the 2009 grey, gangly (16H+)2y.o.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkdiMfhuKQM
For what it’s worth, Fair’s Fair is in the damline of Sunday’s Burghley winner, Park Lane.
I have an odd impression that Selene is an excellent line for movement.
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For what it’s worth, Fair’s Fair is in the damline of Sunday’s Burghley winner, Park Lane.
I have an odd impression that Selene is an excellent line for movement.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Viney…I didn’t know that…pedigree here:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/parklane+hawk
Interestingly, Rolex winner AND Burghley 3rd place finisher, King’s Temptress, has Fair Trial coming into the tail female line through son, Evening Trial:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kings+temptress
Two mares - which would have the better pedigree for sport
I’m going to look at two today, looking to breed for eventing. Both tall, big bodied, straight legs, nice temps.
Mare 1
http://www.pedigreequery.com/found+her
Mare 2
http://www.pedigreequery.com/arsonist
I’m thinking of getting both…any thoughts from the experts?
stupid question
How close does a horse have to be in the pedigree to be relevant? Obviously the less generations the better, and it will be time dependent, but what about a great-grandsire? I know you’ll have to look at everyone else in the pedigree from that point onward to make any kind of judgment, but I guess my question is… is a great-grandsire close enough to make you look twice at a particular horse’s pedigree, or is it so far back it’s obsolete? I’m assuming a grandsire is influential enough. Sorry for the stupid question!
