Teach me about scurry

Thomas Where can I learn the details of scurry? I should imagine the length of the course and number of gates must be standardized? What about the layout? Is that standardized or is the layout different at different competitions? Arena size? What about penalties for hitting cones?

This has been on my mind for a while as there was a chap named Collin ? at the Caspian conference in England 2004 that reported great success at scurrying with Caspians.

We ran the Caspian four-in -hand at the cones challenge this past Sunday. I believe the fastest time was 1 minute 10 seconds for a full size single horse and our time, with a 3 second penalty for a ball down, was 1 minute 11 seconds.

Needless to say the Caspians were on FIRE.

Sorry Dick, The fastest horse, Margy Cox and Cesar, was 95 point something, and the fastest pony, Rylee and me, was 103.34. :slight_smile: But the Caspians were still awesome. Hope you and Bob had fun.

Happy to tell you the rules and requirements…

Require 2 ponies (OF RELATIVELY EQUAL SIZE) PULLING A VEHICLE AROUND A COURSE OF HAZARDS AT SPEED. THE VEHICLE IS DRIVEN BY A “DRIVER” AND BALANCED BY A “GROOM” POSITIONED BEHIND THE DRIVER. COMPETITORS ARE TIMED AROUND THE COURSE, AND TIME PENALTIES ARE IMPOSED FOR CONTACT WITH THE HAZARDS AND OTHER RULE INFRINGEMENTS. THE WINNER IS THE COMPETITOR WITH THE LOWEST OVERALL TIME.

All ponies must:

A) Be no greater than 148cm in height;

B) Not be less than 4 years old; and

C) Be vaccinated as per current FEI and Horse Of The Year Show Rules. (Owners must be prepared to verify this and produce their pony passports to a member of the Steering Committee.)

D) Be clean, well presented, healthy and competition fit.

There are two categories for ordinary events based upon the height of the ponies. Category (A) is for ponies who are both equal to or less than 122cm. Category (B) is for all other ponies (subject to meeting the requirements set out above). These height categories do not apply to championships and special events.

All vehicles must:

A) Be equipped with four wheels;

B) Be fitted with a working brake;

C) Not use wire-spoked wheels;

D) Not use pneumatic tyres;

E) Not have delayed steering;

F) Have a minimum front axle track of 130cm;

G) Have a rear axle. This may be shorter than the front axle, but not by more than 50cm; and

H) Be clean and safe.

Competitors must have a different vehicle for each pair of ponies entered into a competition

An appropriate harness must be used. It should be in good working condition, clean and safe.

A suitable whip must be carried by competitors.

Vehicles, equipment and ponies may be inspected by show stewards at any time, whether before, during or after competition. The show stewards may impose a penalty for non-compliance with the rules, which may include disqualification from the show.

A standard course should include twelve hazards

The course will be a combination of simple cone hazards, complex hazards and a serpentine

The width between the cones of a simple hazard will be approximately 170cm

A bell or suitable audible signal shall indicate that a competitor may start the course. Once the start bell has been rung competitors must pass through the starting gate and commence their round within one minute.

Hand controlled brakes may not be applied selectively whilst competing.

The course hazards must be completed in the specified order.

Once at least one wheel has passed between the boundaries of a hazard it will be seen as having been attempted.

If there is no set route for a complex hazard the driver may cross their tracks to complete their chosen route.

If a competitor takes an incorrect route during a complex hazard, they may either re-start the hazard from the point where the error occurred or re-attempt the hazard from the original entry point.

If a fallen hazard prevents the progress of the pony pair (or the hazard is otherwise undriveable) the Judge has the discretion to ring the bell and stop the clock. Once the hazard has been rebuilt the bell will be sounded for a second time, the clock will continue from the previous point. The entire hazard must then be re-attempted by the competitor.

If a Judge should accidentally ring the bell whilst a round is being driven and it is found to be to the detriment of the competitor, said competitor has the right to attempt the whole course again after the other competitors have completed their rounds.

Once a competitor has completed their round, or has retired, they must exit the arena in a safe manner at no more than a walk or a trot.

TIME PENALTIES
Time penalties will be imposed for rule infringements as set out below. Some rule infringements will result in disqualification.

Dislodging any part of a cone hazard 4 secs
Driver leaving the vehicle 20 secs
Groom leaving the vehicle: 1st time 8 secs 2nd time Disqualification
Dislodging any of a complex hazard’s parts other than a ball and cone 1st time No penalty
2nd time Disqualification
For disturbing either the Start or Finish timing equipment or flags Disqualification
Starting before the bell has sounded Judge’s discretion – maximum penalty is disqualification
Neglecting to pass through either the Start or Finish Disqualification
Not complying with the rules of substitution Disqualification
Passing through a hazard already driven without first obtaining the Judge’s approval Disqualification
Passing through a hazard in advance of the one being driven Disqualification
Passing through a hazard backwards Disqualification
Dislodging a hazard that has not yet been attempted 8 secs
Misuse of whip Official warning

All competitors and grooms must be smartly dressed for a County Show (regardless of the level of the Show). They need not, however, be “traditionally” dressed. This is for the duration of the competition, including walking the course and presentation of awards. Blue denim jeans or jodhpurs may not be worn.

All drivers must wear the following whilst competing: Hat, jacket, gloves, and driving apron. If wet weather garments are required they must be of a presentable nature.

Skull caps must be approved in advance by a show steward. They will not normally be approved if the silk is multi-coloured.

Advertising is permitted on vehicles but not on drivers’ or grooms’ competition clothing.

When waiting in the collecting ring each pair of ponies must be attended and held by their own competent groom.

When driving each driver must be accompanied by a groom sitting at the rear of the vehicle for balance. For the duration of the competition the groom must remain sitting at all times. The driver has sole responsibility for the safety and competence of their groom.

The Judge or show executive will have the responsibility for drawing the starting order. In the Championship Class starting order will be determined by the qualifying times, slowest first, fastest last.

Competitors who have entered a show but are no longer able to attend (for whatever reason) must use their best endeavors to contact the Show Secretary as soon as possible. Failure to do so may result in sanctions for other shows in the series at the discretion of the Steering Committee.

A driver may graduate to Open Standard by completing three rounds in one season in any Scurry Driving Association’s Open Competition in which there are at least ten starters, with a time not more than 10% slower than the winner’s time (i.e. If the winning total time is 60 seconds, a qualifying driver must achieve a total time of no greater than 66 seconds to count.).

The winner of each class and height of a competition will qualify for the preliminary round at the Horse of the Year Show. If the winner has already qualified, the qualification will pass down the line to the next qualified pair. Drivers must complete five classes at qualifying height to be eligible for HOYS (ie without elimination or retirement)

If more than one competitor achieves the same score in a qualifying round (know as a dead heat) the one who first gains this score will be deemed to have won the dead heat and will be place higher.

Only one pair of ponies may be qualified per driver in each class

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Hey Dick! Sorry I couldn’t see you and those super Caspians on Sunday, we left Saturday evening for home.
Hopefully Thomas will reply about Scurry.
I first read about it here on the COTH from www.tandemhillfarm.com
Mr.Bob Chambers put a page up about American Scurry Challenge inviting other clubs to come on for the challenge.
There are measurments in the diagram and it would be good to see if Thomas is in agreement with the information posted on that website.

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Donna You can see why I’m rarely seen in a competitive mode. Can’t even get the scoring right.

I did know Margy had the best horse score and did not know the pony score. I’m not suprised you had the winning pony time. congratulations.

Dick

Rules ???

Thomas, I think I nosed all through the SDA site and didn’t find rules.

I did learn that courses are not standardized and there seems to be a five second penalty for a ball down. Ponies are divided into LARGE and SMALL classes. Beyond that i didn’t learn much except that the SDA seems to have sort a set roster of competitors. am I right in that ?

Dick

American vs English Scurry?

I’m waiting for Thomas to reply but it would appear to me that the challenge put up on the Tandem Hill site is not the same as British competitions.

Dick

For some reason the rules didn’t appear when I posted earlier. Fortunately I did the posting in microsoft word so I’ve put them in again.

Why 2 ponies? Doesn;t that eliminate all those who drive single horse? Kinda limits the amount of competitors I would think.

Scurrying is for pony pairs NOT for singles and NOT for horses.

Why? IMO perfectly sensible - no way could a horse get round the tight exciting course they do. No way would it be fair for a small pony to do that with a 4 wheeler as a single.

but finally the sport is for pony pairs… rules is rules :wink:

Well, we Americans do have a habit of co-opting and modifying sports to suit ourselves! :smiley: I think we’d have to- we don’t have bunches of small island ponies over here to make adorable teams out of.

What I want to know is why you have to have a different vehicle for each team of ponies entered. Doesn’t that get expensive? :confused:

Leia

thank you

Thanks for the rules. They all make sense to me and scurry sounds like an absolute blast.

Rules did elicit one more question. How would describe a “complex hazard?”

Dick

hmm

Thomas If you visit the USA I want you to set a scurry course. I’m sure we could drum up half a dozen pony pairs to run it. Just sounds like tooooo much fun to me.

If you can’t visit could you draw and post a course layout with dimensions??? I’m hosting the Caspian society meeting next June and a scurry demo would be just the thing.

Dick

OK, I am going to bite at this one.

Why not singles? Why not 2 wheel carts? Would just be a different division. Is there a reason for the rules or is it just tradition?

I agree with Cartfall that singles would be less limiting especially here in the states. I am always looking for things I can do alone with a horse or pony not needing a crew. So we borrow from Scurry and invent our own! Wouldn’t be the first time we borrowed from the UK and broke the rules.

Exactly what I did last week with the new drivers…modify, or make use of a logical pattern as seen on the TandemHill website. When watching the videos I thought it was just the “pairs” turn to go, not thinking it was pairs only.
It lends itself to a good rythm, or cadence to get the turns just right even at a trot.
It allows the new driver to get the control time set up to make the three cones and then turn. It is a pleasant challenge at a trot. And, should a student driver go on in all aspects of driving competition, the pattern is not so new as to try it with a pair.

Well I have a pair of ponies and this sounds like FUN! Basically a cones course, right?

But I’m confused… ‘scurry’ sounds to me like a race, ie, fastest time with fewest penalties wins. But Tandem Hill’s rules say closest to OPTIMUM time and also mention ‘horse’ (?) So have they already modified the British rules?

Of course with my little ‘sports cars’ I like the idea of fastest time wins :smiley: :yes: I can see it being tight for a 2 wheeled fixed shaft vehicle, however I can also see one of my ponies doing this singly with the Batmobile :wink:

BTW since I’ve semi-retired my older “been there, done that” pony I’d be happy to lend her out locally for someone to give this a go. She’s just a hair over 12.2 and would need to be on the left. As soon as I get the stitches out from my CT surgery - in two weeks – I’m driving Maya with Maggie and Mollie becomes my spare :slight_smile:

Pat

Pat: I agree with your comments. British rules work for me.

It’s a scurry so it’s fastest time and damn the torpedoes, in my opinion.

I want to put on a scurry when the Caspian society meets at my farm. It will be a small meeting, I’m afraid, but it will be held June 27, 2009. Would love for you to come down.

I’d like the scurry to be as “correct” as possible at least in terms of the layout of the course. It will be limited to pony pairs and 4 wheel carriages.

Dick

[QUOTE=MSP;3634832]
OK, I am going to bite at this one.

Why not singles? Why not 2 wheel carts? Would just be a different division. Is there a reason for the rules or is it just tradition?[/QUOTE] Because it isn’t! You can hardly say it’s tradition because its a relatively new sport.

I agree with Cartfall that singles would be less limiting especially here in the states. I am always looking for things I can do alone with a horse or pony not needing a crew. So we borrow from Scurry and invent our own!

Good luck with your new venture. I sincerely hope you come up with a new name for it too and don’t go with the pretence that it’s Scurry Driving as per the “original” .

I thought I’d suggest “Hurry Driving”

Wouldn’t be the first time we borrowed from the UK and broke the rules.
Yes. Look what you did with the English language :wink:

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;3636661]
Because it isn’t! You can hardly say it’s tradition because its a relatively new sport. [/QUOTE]

So there is no good reason for Scurry being pairs only?

I don’t see that a name really matters much. It should just describe the sport well enough so people get the idea.

Oh, I doubt very much I will be organizing anything, I have no free time. But some day when I have time it would be fun to try it. Any event that requires a team is simply out of the question for me. I ride alone and I drive alone. Anything that requires more than one horse or pony is a problem as well since I can only have 3 equines on my property and I have 3 already.

No that doesn’t have a very nice ring. I like scamper or scuttle, it works for me.

You remind me so much of my grandmother, I guess its a Scottish thing!