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Troll alert[/QUOTE]
I think not, just a youg’un who has absolutely no clue how a string of jejune questions can get to be somewhat tiresome. :sigh:
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I think not, just a youg’un who has absolutely no clue how a string of jejune questions can get to be somewhat tiresome. :sigh:[/QUOTE]
If you don’t like my questions, don’t answer them. I’m just trying to learn.
Piaffe in hand is taught when a horse is at the “M” level, or fourth level on the scale I was taught. Passage in hand then follows.
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Join the Pony Club.
http://www.ponyclub.org/[/QUOTE]
I’d love to, but I’m too old now.
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Yes I am young and I have a LOT to learn. Which is why this forum appeals to me. Yes I did think Reining was an Olympic sport, but I was wrong and I learned that. What wrong with wanting to know how hunter is judged or how to design a cross country course? I’ve never competed in or seen either event. So I’m trying to learn.
I’m enthusiastic. I have big dreams. I ask questions. I’m not afraid to speak my mind and sound stupid. Why does that make me foolish, immature or not worth conversing with?
And yes, I do believe that lessons are helpful! Which is why I’m taking them weekly now on a school horse. I will eventually consider getting lessons on my horse.[/QUOTE]
Good for you and keep right on asking. Only insecure people would be offended by you questioning their answers which is all I have seen you do. Good for you for asking and listening rather than just doing and, honestly, she’s your horse and you can do what you want with her. I admire very much that you are listening to the answers that you’ve received and that you have continued to remain polite while receiving such obnoxiously rude comments.
You may be young but you are showing way more maturity than some of the “experts” on here. Don’t let them bother you.
To all of those who have been rude do you think that perhaps this is why we don’t have more young people enjoying the sport. Why is it so hard to politely and reasonably answer questions with real facts rather than rude “because it’s just not done that way” answers. I’m sure that dressage didn’t start that way. Why can’t we all be civil and appreciate that someone really wants to learn and is digging for answers? He or she is right, if you don’t want to answer or are frustrated by the questions just don’t respond.
Oh, please, give me a break. The OP didn’t want advice, she wanted people to tell her it was a great idea to teach her old, out of shape horse passage without knowing the first thing about it. When people told her it was a bad idea, she came back with arguments against the advice.
Only insecure people would be offended by you questioning their answers which is all I have seen you do.
No one was offended, just exasperated.
…honestly, she’s your horse and you can do what you want with her.
You are doing this girl a disservice by encouraging her to misuse this aged horse. Calling me or anyone else who is trying to keep this horse from being injured insecure or rude shows your lack of understanding of dressage.
There’s nothing wrong with asking the questions, per se, it’s just that (other than “how are hunters judged” which is more of a quick Google, or glance through previous forum discussions) they’re odd questions to ask as starting points. You’ve never taken a dressage lesson, but want to teach a passage? You’ve never seen an event, but want to build an XC course? If there were more questions along the line of “How are hunters judged?” like “What’s a good goal for our first year of dressage lessons?” or “What do you find hardest as a new rider in X discipline?” it would seem less trollish and more of an enthusiastic student.
You know you can be in Pony Club up through age 25, right? And their manuals are good starting points for riders of any age.
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There’s nothing wrong with asking the questions, per se, it’s just that (other than “how are hunters judged” which is more of a quick Google, or glance through previous forum discussions) they’re odd questions to ask as starting points. You’ve never taken a dressage lesson, but want to teach a passage? You’ve never seen an event, but want to build an XC course? If there were more questions along the line of “How are hunters judged?” like “What’s a good goal for our first year of dressage lessons?” or “What do you find hardest as a new rider in X discipline?” it would seem less trollish and more of an enthusiastic student.
You know you can be in Pony Club up through age 25, right? And their manuals are good starting points for riders of any age.[/QUOTE]
That’s fair. I’m just asking odd questions because I think that stuff will be useful to know 10, 20 years down the road, and they’re interesting things to talk about. That’s just how my brain works. I realize there’s a process and I’m starting at the basics, reading dressage books, doing Introductory Tests, and once I have my first official lesson this week, I’m sure I’ll have more questions that you’d consider “appropriate”. But as I said, if you don’t like my question, don’t answer it.
I did not know you could be 25 as I’ve never heard of a pony club near here and don’t know how it works. But i was in 4-h for 6 years which was a fairly similar experience.
Actually at this point I’ve gotten my answer and we’re off topic, not getting anywhere good. I appreciate everyone’s input (although your disrespect was less than helpful). Not interested in random drama over nothing, talking to people who don’t know me about what I am/am not, so this thread can go to the thread graveyard now! Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Oh, please, give me a break. The OP didn’t want advice, she wanted people to tell her it was a great idea to teach her old, out of shape horse passage without knowing the first thing about it. When people told her it was a bad idea, she came back with arguments against the advice.
No one was offended, just exasperated.
You are doing this girl a disservice by encouraging her to misuse this aged horse. Calling me or anyone else who is trying to keep this horse from being injured insecure or rude shows your lack of understanding of dressage.[/QUOTE]
How can you know what the OP wanted? I never saw her arguing with anyone, just asking for clarification or asking “what if” questions.
Im certainly not encouraging anyone to “misuse an aged horse” just stating that the fact of the matter is that she doesn’t have to get permission from anyone. What she was doing, asking questions on a forum, goes above and beyond what most people, much less young people, would do. It shows real maturity to ask and listen and she has already stated that based on the advise given she won’t be teaching her horse piaffe or passage.
There is a huge difference between bashing and teaching. Shouldn’t we try to remain civil and teach? Especially when we are talking about people that could be the future of the sport?
You should read this thread from the beginning, and then you will know that people were very polite and helpful for quite some time. There was no “bashing,” unless you consider telling someone she should not do something that can injure her horse to be bashing. I think that you, like the OP, do not understand the level of expertise here and the patience that very knowledgeable people displayed in trying to help the OP. She didn’t like the advice.
sorry, am late to this thread.
Half steps are a prelim form of piaffe and imo no harm in teaching that in hand. Read up on it. I’d suggest keeping it to in hand and not under saddle.
I, and some other dressage riders (not many, but some), like Parelli for groundwork and I know an upper level rider that does it for fun with her horse. There’s good and bad in all forms of horsemanship, and some things are useful in ground work or for fun, but dont’ translate to under saddle.
To answer other part of question, no, I would not teach her passage or encourage it if she offers it. Even if it does not damage her physically, it’s a bad habit to get an untrained horse into , because they’ll do it when you want a real trot, when they get nervous etc.
My horse, who is low level , can do the most airborne gorgeus passage on the trail when he gets upset. I am not happy that he does this and never ask for it in the ring because it is already his default does it when excited move. I only allow it on trail because the alternate is bolting and if he slows down he’ll passage till he runs out energy and then regular trot.
good luck with mare, treat her arthritis, experiment safely with different fun things, if you embark in lessons with her re dressage you help her carry herself better and last longer as a riding horse.
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You should read this thread from the beginning, and then you will know that people were very polite and helpful for quite some time. There was no “bashing,” unless you consider telling someone she should not do something that can injure her horse to be bashing. I think that you, like the OP, do not understand the level of expertise here and the patience that very knowledgeable people displayed in trying to help the OP. She didn’t like the advice.[/QUOTE]
I had already read through the whole thread before I posted and I did see plenty of patience displayed. Why didn’t this continue?
I am very aware of the expertise on this forum which is why I’m here but what does level of expertise have to do with it? Where I come from that doesn’t excuse rudeness.
Okey dokey.
Hey, OP, the latest edition of Dressage Today covers PI/PA for the older horse in their Q & A section. You might want to have a look.
I would have to add that 4H and Pony Club are not even remotely “fairly similar experiences”, at least in this area.
I think joining a PC close to you is a grand idea if there is one. If the age limit had been 25 when I was in, you bet your bottom dollar I would have stayed until then!
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Oh, jeese you guys. If she wants to teach the mare to pick up her feet and do a little starting piaffe, let her. She is not going to blow her joints by doing a few steps here and there, and it’s just an obedience thing. My Appy stopped doing 1 tempis in his late 20’s, but he could do his little piaffe until the day he died at 31.
My mare now has other issues, but she likes to passage and it’s her happy place. Piaffe is a good place to go with hot horses that need somewhere to put energy, no matter how classically “correct” it is.[/QUOTE]
THIS^. OP, you might enjoy the French School perspective; pick up a copy of Jean-Claude Racinet’s Another Horsemanship from Xenophon Press or on Amazon. This is not at ALL difficult to do, your mare sounds like she’s practically offering it to you, and my old QH of indifferent conformation did it with no trouble at all until age 30–and never had “hock injections” in his LIFE.
Sounds like you and your mare are enjoying your work! 
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THIS^. OP, you might enjoy the French School perspective; pick up a copy of Jean-Claude Racinet’s Another Horsemanship from Xenophon Press or on Amazon. This is not at ALL difficult to do, your mare sounds like she’s practically offering it to you, and my old QH of indifferent conformation did it with no trouble at all until age 30–and never had “hock injections” in his LIFE.
Sounds like you and your mare are enjoying your work! [/QUOTE]
You obviously haven’t read the OP’s latest thread…
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You obviously haven’t read the OP’s latest thread…[/QUOTE]
Nope.
