Tell me about iron in a horse's diet!

Hello everyone!

I previously posted about finding a regional grain for my mare in WI, and landed on Tribute. While discussing this at the barn, I was advised to avoid anything that has added iron. When I checked, I found that Tribute does in fact have 900ppm. However, I am struggling to interpret this after trying to do some research online.

Luckily, I have not yet started feeding it!

Can you help educate me about iron in a horse’s diet? How much is appropriate? How much is too much?

I am now looking into some different grains that do not appear to have iron (Equi-Shine, Spirit Plus) that are formulated for the WI area.

Thanks in advance!

Funny, my mare contracted a weird virus this spring and in addition to other weird findings in her blood work, was slightly anemic. Vet put her on Licotinic which has 75 mg per oz of iron. Mare is fine now, but vet told me to finish the gallon. Where did you hear that supplemental iron was a problem?

From the Merck Veterinary Manual:

“The dietary maintenance requirement for iron is estimated to be 40 mg/kg feed dry matter. For rapidly growing foals and pregnant and lactating mares, the requirement is estimated to be 50 mg/kg feed dry matter. Virtually all commercial concentrates formulated for horses and most forages contain iron well in excess of the recommended concentrations. Only horses with chronic blood loss (eg, parasitism) should be considered to be at risk of iron deficiency. Excess iron intake potentially interferes with copper utilization. The presence of anemia (low PCV or red cell volume) alone is not sufficient indication for iron supplementation in horses.”

So, to sum that up - I avoid excess iron, because there is generally more than enough in forage and excess can throw off the balance of other minerals. Of course, if you don’t or can’t test the hay or pastures, you don’t know exactly how much iron they are getting and so can only guess at what is needed to put things back in balance. But generally, extra iron isn’t it.

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I would suspect the warning against adding iron in the diet is that your barn/area has too much iron in the soil.

I would investigate myself. You can look online at minerals in your geographic area (U.S. Geological sites), call your local extension and ask if they can test for iron (they will do soil samples fairly cheaply but that might not include iron) and if they have heard of high iron in your area, and you can send grass clippings off to a place like Equi-Analytic to assess the nutritional content of your horse’s pasture. I have done all three and have a pretty decent idea of how to manage my horse’s diet. I compare the results to what is accepted as the acceptable range for horses (sometimes in various types of work).

Your vet and/or the feed companies nutritional advisor (who have Ph.D. or DVM nutritionists on staff that you can talk to) can help you evaluate the amount of iron your horse is ingesting and which feed is good or not. I did this, too, and got very good information from Purina and Cargill Ph.D. nutritionists.

here in ohio we have too much iron, and we add copper and zinc to balance-without that, too much iron blocks copper ands zinc, which can cause problems with hooves and coats.

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Iron over load can also cause metabolic issues. The copper and zinc that excess iron depletes is also needed to stabilize insulin.

You can google “iron overload in horses” and get several very credible hits on the subject.

My horses are on pasture and also receive hay- they don’t need anymore iron than what’s in their forage.

It is true, a sprinkle of horses develop anemia for some health reason - tests should be run and it should be the vet designating added iron and for now long.

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Most of the time, you can add extra copper and zinc to the diet to balance out the extra iron. Unless iron is really high in the water, forage, etc., I think adding copper and zinc balances out for most horses.

I’ve used a custom mix from Horse Tech with probiotics, vitamin E, copper, and zinc and the Uckele’s powder copper and zinc.

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Dr Kellon talks about this https://thenaturallyhealthyhorse.com…oad-in-horses/
I know I have personally seen improvements in hoof health in all of my horses and the fat deposits and cresty neck of my senior TB and IR pony just balancing the iron with copper/zinc. Dr Kellon recommends an iron/copper/zinc/manganese ratio of 4:1:3:3. Since it’s tough to lower the iron most people add enough copper and zinc to balance it out.

It’s good to limit added iron in feeds/supplements but until the feed industry catches up, it’s going to be tough to find a commercial feed that does not include it.

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Forage, a horse’s natural diet, is high in iron. Many feeds have iron added to them, so that additional iron isn’t helpful.

Personally I wouldn’t believe the internet experts who talk about iron overload. I also wouldn’t let what people at the barn say dictate what I feed to my horse. I’ve never met any vet who knows anything about nutrition either.

I’d try the Tribute and note if the horse does well on it. If he doesn’t I’d work with someone who has a PhD in equine nutrition to formulate a diet.

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There’s a big disconnect, IME, with this “iron overload” topic.

Do horses need MORE iron in their diet? Nope, they get plenty from forage.

Is added iron, either with something intrinsically high in iron, or something with added iron, a bad thing? To answer that we need waaaaay more context

Do some horses do better when added iron is removed from their diet? Absolutely.

Some people freak out about added iron causing an iron overload so high there’s no hope of salvaging the diet without filtering water and adding enormous amounts of copper and zinc.

Some people freak out that the fe:cu:zn ration MUST BE 4:1:3.

Yes, iron overload IS a real thing - it’s not about internet experts, it’s about the science.

But unless you have a metabolic horse, and have a ferritin test from Kansas State showing just how overloaded your horse is and you have 1500ppm iron in your forage, and the horse just looks and feels terrible, I would not be losing sleep over an extra 404gm Fe from the Essential K (I assumed, based on 900ppm, as the Kalm N EZ for example is 440ppm, and others are also half that or less).

Does he NEED it? No.

If you want to formulate your own feed plan with things that don’t contain added iron (or added only in single or double digits per serving), go for it. It’s not terribly easy, and it’s often fairly $$. But sometimes you do NEED to do that.

It’s really so much easier to add copper and zinc, and while a forage analysis is ideal, local county extension agencies often have averages for your area, or you could use an average from Equi-Analytical.

Dr Kellon is often misquoted/mis-interpreted as saying that high iron is, all by itself, a problem. That is not what she says. She says that high iron is a problem if it’s not balanced to a reasonable level with copper and zinc. She says high iron is not usually a problem IF you get its ratio at least down to 10:1:4 with copper and zinc. The more metabolic the horse, the closer to 4:1:3-4 you want to get

Personally, if you’re worried, add a half serving of anyone’s polysaccharide copper and zinc and call it a day. You are most definitely not doing to OD on even a full serving of each, you just don’t likely need quite that much. You might not get below the 10:1:4 range, but you might.

As for horses testing “mildly anemic”, I say the vet doesn’t understand how this works, and it’s a LOT of vets it seems, I’ve heard this situation for 20 years. Horses store a lot of RBCs in the spleen, ready for when exercise needs it. Pull blood on a fully rested horse and a large % will test “mildly anemic”.

You NEED to get that horse moving for several minutes at a good pace and get the demand for those stored RBCs to be put into circulation and THEN test.

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That said:

Tribute isn’t one I’d pic if this is what you’re concerned about. It’s iron IS high, and its copper and zinc aren’t. Triple Crown has much better numbers.

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Iron overload is real and is detrimental to hoof health and the health of horses who are metabolic. There may not be a lot of studies out there about it but there are enough experiences out there showing the benefits of balancing the copper and zinc to the iron in the diet. It’s definitely something to keep in mind when formulating their diet. One thing to note, horses have no way to excrete iron. It is stored in the liver and spleen. Dr Kellon really knows her stuff and is the leading vet when it comes to metabolic issues, laminitis, founder.

I thought I knew something about nutrition until I started down the rabbit hole on how nutrition affects hoof health because I wanted to see (for financial reasons) if I could take both my TB’s barefoot. It worked. It’s great the OP is now concerned about how much iron her horse consumes. It’s constantly overlooked. If the horses only needs about 40ppm a day, why on earth would the nutritionists who formulated Tribute and other feeds out there add so much iron? I would have to say there are some nutritionists out there who are overlooking it as well.

Another good article about excess iron:
https://blog.easycareinc.com/got-iro…rAwm4.facebook

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I truly truly TRULY wish companies would hurry up and stop adding iron to feeds. They really need to get on the ball about this. I honestly don’t know why they even started adding it, as it’s looonnnngggggg been known horses don’t need more.

40ppm in a diet is 400mg if he’s eating 10kg (22lb) of feed. Obviously it’s more, if he’s eating more feed. But at least that gives you context.

900ppm in a balancer is the entirety of what an average 1100lb horse needs in a day.

But at the same time, let’s look at an average forage:

According to Equi-Analytical, grass hay averages around 197ppm. That’s generic grass hay, that’s across samples from all over the country. I’ve seen 40ppm hays, I’ve seen 1200ppm hays.

22lb at 197ppm is 1970mg of iron. Is another 400 THAT big a deal? For the metabolic horse yeah, it may be.

But for the average healthy horse, where you can add copper and zinc to tighten up the ratio to a decent level, it’s really not that big a deal.

Now, is your water tested to be sky high in iron also? Get a filter on it and also add copper and zinc to the diet.

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JB… have I told you I love you yet?:D:D

to add to this line… iron overload can also look like anemia…

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to add to this line… iron overload can also look like anemia…

Yep, because of low copper and zinc. The fix? NOT more iron!

more copper and zinc :winkgrin:

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I blame Lawrence Welk.

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This made me laugh out loud! Thank you😉

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JB said it all :yes: I always learn from their posts! I’ve found the Iron, Zinc and Copper function and relations to be a super interesting topic and hopefully you do too OP. There is so much information out there on it and some good studies to read, if you are interested in that sort of thing.

The 900ppm of iron is 900 mg/kg of Tribute fed, so you would convert the amount of lbs of Tribute you are feeding to kg, then multiply 900 by that number and you get the number of mg of iron per serving. Not sure if you were necessarily asking that or not? As has been already stated, it is not necessarily the Iron itself that is the problem, but actually the amount of iron in relation to copper and zinc (at 4 Fe: 1 Cu: 4 Zn ratio is suggested), which compete for receptors in order to get absorbed. Hence, if you have too much iron, then copper will not be effectively absorbed at an amount that would balance Fe affects. Anemia CAN happen, but nutritional causes are relatively rare because often Iron is sufficient enough in the environment to meet requirements and also as stated, there are so many feeds that have iron in them WITHOUT enough copper/zinc to balance it out. More often, anemia is a caused from bleeding (external, ulcers-internal), pathophysiology that destroys RBCs (parasites and immune compromising disorders such as virus’ and infections) or causes the horse not to produce enough of them (diseases affecting route of production or displace them).

And the problem with blood tests for iron is that they are so variable, as JB has written about. They really should be compared with other results for a better overall picture. Additionally, iron actually depends on a copper-dependent enzyme called hephaestin to be transported from the intestine into the blood via oxidation. It converts the Iron to a state that can be transferred in the blood (Fe^2+ --> Fe^3+). In cases of copper deficiency, iron absorption and thus, blood hemoglobin levels, may be reduced due to reduced activity ofhephaestin. In other words, copper deficiency can actually cause the result of low iron (anemia), when in fact, the cause is low copper too. That is why blood tests need to be taken with a grain of salt and personally, I wouldn’t immediately jump on Iron supplements without further investigation. Unless there is other reasons to believe that that iron is truly lower than copper (see above).

Too much Iron isn’t necessarily harmful to a horse’s well being, but can affect places where copper is well needed such as hooves and possibly soft tissue for example. It is just something to be aware of that most often, a horse is in need of more copper nutritionally (not as prevalent) than iron. Certain horses, such as IR horses are more sensitive to excessive iron in relation to the copper and zinc. Iron overload, meaning excessive iron (10 Fe to 1 Cu) quite past that recommended (4:1) is where you may see more change. I know someone who had a ton of iron on their property (in water, hay, soil etc) and their horses actually did exhibit more extreme signs of iron overload such as bad quality in hooves, ligament/tendon issues, and one even had a heart issue. I would say MOST places are not to that extreme, but when the vet and her fixed the Fe: Cu: and Zinc balance, the accumulative issues went away. They did have to go to extremes in that case though - water filter, blood letting recommended by vet) and high copper and Zn supplementation.

So, Iron IS needed, but at a balance with copper and Zinc because in many ways, they work together. Typically, it is recommended at 4 Fe: 1 Cu: 4 Zn. Those are just ratio guidelines, but obviously cannot be fixed in reality. iron is used to make certain proteins, particularly the component that carries oxygen - hemoglobin and myoglobin (found in muscle). It is also used as a component of enzymes (often protein) in the synthesis of collagen and some neurotransmitters, plus iron assists in immune function.While needed, Iron is also an oxidant like oxygen and can contribute to the production of free radicals or in other words reactive/unstable oxygen species - they need another electron to be ‘balanced’ and thus try to by binding to nearby lipids, proteins and nucleic acids. They are generated in a number of reactions essential to life and why everyone ages!, but can also cause damage to cells.

Antioxidants, such as copper (superoxide dismutases - enzyme complex of copper and zinc) counter the oxidant affect. You want a balance. When either copper or iron deficiency occurs, oxidative stress levels may go up. Dietary copper is recommended to be at least 100mg/ day, but that is relative to iron/zinc levels. Remember that if you have high zinc or iron, you’ll need more copper than 100mg! Copper is involved in a number of metabolic pathways such as those involved in iron metabolism, connective tissue formation, energy production, central nervous system function, and melanin production. You’ve probably heard lots of talk on here about the affect of copper deficiency on hoof quality and I’ve also mentioned the affect on soft tissues here. That is because copper is involved in an enzyme that facilitates cross-linking of collagen and elastin in connective tissues. these tissues are in soft tissues and the white line in the hoof.

Zinc is recommended to be at 400mg min daily relative to iron/copper. Zinc is also an antioxidant (superoxide dismutase) and plays a role in fetal development, growth, tissue repair, reproduction, the immune system and stabilizes protein structures involved in functions. In hooves, zinc facilitates keratin production, adding to the strength of hooves.

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