Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

What do you mean i havent used them? I put on and took off bell boots daily for years on my harness horses. You are so full of yourself Fairfax. You do not read for comprehension. My posts show that i DO understand that shoes and equipment do affect how a horse travels and that it is going to be complicated to label what is therapeutic or shall we say neutral and what is going too far. There are a lot of mind boggling variables when legitimate equipment is misused.

Comparing a toe weight to a bell boot was not a heck of a stretch since Neinor had asked how a light bell boot could affect gait. So i tried to explain that the weight of anything affects the path the hoof travels. Does that help out your comprehension deficit ?

2 more days and so to bed…

http://chattanoogan.com/2012/9/17/234438/Roy-Exum-Finally-A-Day-Of-Reckoning.aspx

Roy Exum: Finally A Day Of Reckoning
Monday, September 17, 2012 - by Roy Exum

When the villainous Jackie McConnell appears in a Chattanooga Federal Court tomorrow afternoon for his long-awaited day of reckoning, I have every reason to believe the Collierville horse trainer, easily one of the most despicable felons in America today, will be sentenced in a just and most proper way. The judge, the Honorable Harry “Sandy” Mattice, is a glorious follower and staunch advocate of the U.S. Constitution, and I am both certain and pleased that he will most assuredly do the right thing.

There is no way, of course, that Judge Mattice’s ruling – whatever it may be – will dispel the intense anger, the scathing bitterness, and the outright nausea that avid horsemen the world over now hold for McConnell and his like who continue to abuse and torture horses. Literally millions of good and decent horse lovers have now seen a tape that appeared in May of McConnell savagely and sadistically beating defenseless Tennessee Walkers and hundreds have written Judge Mattice to demand and plead for stern justice.

The overriding thought across the United States and many foreign lands is that no matter what the judge decrees, McConnell will not receive proper justice for his well-documented 30 years of constant horse abuse until the fateful day comes when he will meet his Maker and doubtlessly dance for an eternity in the hottest fires of hell. Tomorrow will just be a teaser of what is surely to come.

Sadly, if the truth be told, McConnell is virtually a nothing in the big scheme of the perverse and very sick “Big Lick” segment of the Tennessee Walking Horse industry. Jackie is a mere pawn, a lowly serf in an evil Shelbyville fiefdom where a high-ranking insider said last week that “at least 40 to 45 percent” of what is lustily called the “performance horse” is “every bit as guilty” as the heavily-scorned McConnell. “They just haven’t been caught yet.”

The evidence that the well-placed source is correct is overwhelming. This summer the Nashville Banner revealed the last ten “Trainers of the Year” all have records of violating the federal Horse Protection Act and, of the Top 20 trainers involved in the Rider’s Cup competition, they have collectively 161 citations in the last two years alone.

Efforts by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Humane Society of the United States have been bitterly blasted by “the dark side” of the performance industry in Shelbyville and this year’s 74th annual Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration last month was so filled with rancor, discord and scorn that a full 40 percent of the horses that were officially entered did not appear in the show ring.

Oddly, the Big Lick faction represents only an estimated 3 percent of the once-noble Walking Horse industry but authorities reveal that an enterprising Shelbyville businessman named David Howard has a “Hitler-like control” over the industry and his carefully-groomed followers will blindly do his bidding. The most logical reason given is because “Herr Howard,” as he is now being called in trade journals, controls the money, thus is also scurrilously now labeled as “The King of the Big Lick.”

Some believe that is the way that Shelbyville’s fiefdom actually works and, to illustrate the maze, agents have found that Howard has split the repugnant Shelbyville Walking Horse community into five different entities, which would lead one to believe that Howard himself has little involvement in bolstering any type of badly-needed reform or change. “David Howard is the head of the snake. Jackie McConnell is no more than a convenient sacrificial lamb,” said one source.

To illustrate, here is how the outline looks that breaks down the “Big Lick” industry:

S.H.O.W. – An acronym for the phrase, “Sound horse, Honest judging, Objective inspections, Winning Fairly,” David Howard is one of seven board members. (SHOW has sued the USDA in a Fort Worth, Texas, court.)

F.A.S.T. – An acronym for “Foundation for the Advancement and Support of the Tennessee Walking Show Horse,” this is a 501c3 fundraising arm that is controlled by board member Jeffery Howard, David Howard’s son.

T.W.S.H.O. – An acronym that stands for “Tennessee Walking Horse Show Horse Organization,” this newly-formed group is believed to coddle to the wishes of some wealthy “Big Lick” owners who turn a blind eye to training methods but want assurance they will not be cited when their horses are “ticketed.” Jeffrey Howard is on this board and controls it, presumably under the auspices of his father.

T.W.H.N.C. – As known as “The Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration.” David Howard has full control of this board of seven local Shelbyville businessmen that includes Tennessee State Rep. Pat Marsh ®.

W.H.R. – The Walking Horse Report, a weekly magazine with 85 percent advertising that is owned by David Howard and has Jeffery as its spokesman.

In other words, the five entities control the entire “performance” industry, from judging to testing to competing to awarding blue ribbons. As a result, there are a myriad of allegations, rumors and accusations that have gone unfounded, especially in recent years, and what is equally unbelievable is why those who serve on the five separate boards have not questioned nor stood in opposition of the now shaky regime, much less called on state or federal authorities if indeed there are valid reasons.

Last week, when two Representatives of Congress introduced legislation in Washington that would strengthen the Horse Protection Act, Howard’s empire was quick to denounce the effort, calling it “an attack,” but storm clouds continue to gathering quickly and with force over the imperiled industry that has most recently caused horsemen around the globe to ask “why Tennesseans are the only tribe the world over who intentionally hurts its horses?”

Two of the largest equine veterinarian groups are loudly calling for stacks, pads, chains and tight straps to be outlawed and three different trainers admitted over the summer the devices make it easy to hide soring, abuse and cheating. They also say the exaggerated, unnatural high gait is impossible to achieve without causing great harm to a horse. Now the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is joining the roar.

There have now been eight guilty verdicts prosecuted in Chattanooga’s Federal Court but Jackie McConnell is by far the biggest lout. Ironically, the scathing tape that is still a viral hit on YouTube has nothing to do with tomorrow’s sentencing. McConnell will face 14 counts of animal abuse over his film debut in a West Tennessee courtroom later this month.

The owners of the horses that McConnell battered have not been charged as an accomplice, nor did the sheriff in Shelbyville enact felony charges as required by law when several horses were found to be maimed at the Celebration in late August. But tomorrow, with horsemen around the world watching, justice will be done in Chattanooga and the noose around the Big Lick industry will gratefully – at long last – get that much tighter.

royexum@aol.com

Neinnor: I had to stop using plastic bell boots for turn out on my horse this week. They caused a rub on the back of both pasterns. The collar fit was good and loose but the turn out footing is soft and the foot “sinks in” when he romps in the softer areas of the property. This “sinking into the footing” contributed to the rub as the edge of the bottom of the boot pushed the collar up onto the down flexing pastern. He ended up with bright pink scurf marks.

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6562033]
What do you mean i havent used them? I put on and took off bell boots daily for years on my harness horses. You are so full of yourself Fairfax. You do not read for comprehension. My posts show that i DO understand that shoes and equipment do affect how a horse travels and that it is going to be complicated to label what is therapeutic or shall we say neutral and what is going too far. There are a lot of mind boggling variables when legitimate equipment is misused.

Comparing a toe weight to a bell boot was not a heck of a stretch since Neinor had asked how a light bell boot could affect gait. So i tried to explain that the weight of anything affects the path the hoof travels. Does that help out your comprehension deficit ?[/QUOTE]

WITW: You have to be patient with the folks that twist and squirm as they come to terms with this awful and broad subject matter. Those that want to understand, will. Those that do not want to understand the mess that is the TWH will twist and turn for many internal reasons.

Your post and experiences are great to read. Many who shuffle in and out on this topic are not sharing much in the way of true experience. But, when they do share actual experience, and when they do so without the personal attack to other posters here- well, it indeed enhances understanding of the topic at hand.

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6562044]
2 more days and so to bed…

http://chattanoogan.com/2012/9/17/234438/Roy-Exum-Finally-A-Day-Of-Reckoning.aspx

Roy Exum: Finally A Day Of Reckoning
Monday, September 17, 2012 - by Roy Exum

When the villainous Jackie McConnell appears in a Chattanooga Federal Court tomorrow afternoon for his long-awaited day of reckoning, I have every reason to believe the Collierville horse trainer, easily one of the most despicable felons in America today, will be sentenced in a just and most proper way. The judge, the Honorable Harry “Sandy” Mattice, is a glorious follower and staunch advocate of the U.S. Constitution, and I am both certain and pleased that he will most assuredly do the right thing.

There is no way, of course, that Judge Mattice’s ruling – whatever it may be – will dispel the intense anger, the scathing bitterness, and the outright nausea that avid horsemen the world over now hold for McConnell and his like who continue to abuse and torture horses. Literally millions of good and decent horse lovers have now seen a tape that appeared in May of McConnell savagely and sadistically beating defenseless Tennessee Walkers and hundreds have written Judge Mattice to demand and plead for stern justice.

The overriding thought across the United States and many foreign lands is that no matter what the judge decrees, McConnell will not receive proper justice for his well-documented 30 years of constant horse abuse until the fateful day comes when he will meet his Maker and doubtlessly dance for an eternity in the hottest fires of hell. Tomorrow will just be a teaser of what is surely to come.

Sadly, if the truth be told, McConnell is virtually a nothing in the big scheme of the perverse and very sick “Big Lick” segment of the Tennessee Walking Horse industry. Jackie is a mere pawn, a lowly serf in an evil Shelbyville fiefdom where a high-ranking insider said last week that “at least 40 to 45 percent” of what is lustily called the “performance horse” is “every bit as guilty” as the heavily-scorned McConnell. “They just haven’t been caught yet.”

The evidence that the well-placed source is correct is overwhelming. This summer the Nashville Banner revealed the last ten “Trainers of the Year” all have records of violating the federal Horse Protection Act and, of the Top 20 trainers involved in the Rider’s Cup competition, they have collectively 161 citations in the last two years alone.

Efforts by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Humane Society of the United States have been bitterly blasted by “the dark side” of the performance industry in Shelbyville and this year’s 74th annual Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration last month was so filled with rancor, discord and scorn that a full 40 percent of the horses that were officially entered did not appear in the show ring.

Oddly, the Big Lick faction represents only an estimated 3 percent of the once-noble Walking Horse industry but authorities reveal that an enterprising Shelbyville businessman named David Howard has a “Hitler-like control” over the industry and his carefully-groomed followers will blindly do his bidding. The most logical reason given is because “Herr Howard,” as he is now being called in trade journals, controls the money, thus is also scurrilously now labeled as “The King of the Big Lick.”

Some believe that is the way that Shelbyville’s fiefdom actually works and, to illustrate the maze, agents have found that Howard has split the repugnant Shelbyville Walking Horse community into five different entities, which would lead one to believe that Howard himself has little involvement in bolstering any type of badly-needed reform or change. “David Howard is the head of the snake. Jackie McConnell is no more than a convenient sacrificial lamb,” said one source.

To illustrate, here is how the outline looks that breaks down the “Big Lick” industry:

S.H.O.W. – An acronym for the phrase, “Sound horse, Honest judging, Objective inspections, Winning Fairly,” David Howard is one of seven board members. (SHOW has sued the USDA in a Fort Worth, Texas, court.)

F.A.S.T. – An acronym for “Foundation for the Advancement and Support of the Tennessee Walking Show Horse,” this is a 501c3 fundraising arm that is controlled by board member Jeffery Howard, David Howard’s son.

T.W.S.H.O. – An acronym that stands for “Tennessee Walking Horse Show Horse Organization,” this newly-formed group is believed to coddle to the wishes of some wealthy “Big Lick” owners who turn a blind eye to training methods but want assurance they will not be cited when their horses are “ticketed.” Jeffrey Howard is on this board and controls it, presumably under the auspices of his father.

T.W.H.N.C. – As known as “The Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration.” David Howard has full control of this board of seven local Shelbyville businessmen that includes Tennessee State Rep. Pat Marsh ®.

W.H.R. – The Walking Horse Report, a weekly magazine with 85 percent advertising that is owned by David Howard and has Jeffery as its spokesman.

In other words, the five entities control the entire “performance” industry, from judging to testing to competing to awarding blue ribbons. As a result, there are a myriad of allegations, rumors and accusations that have gone unfounded, especially in recent years, and what is equally unbelievable is why those who serve on the five separate boards have not questioned nor stood in opposition of the now shaky regime, much less called on state or federal authorities if indeed there are valid reasons.

Last week, when two Representatives of Congress introduced legislation in Washington that would strengthen the Horse Protection Act, Howard’s empire was quick to denounce the effort, calling it “an attack,” but storm clouds continue to gathering quickly and with force over the imperiled industry that has most recently caused horsemen around the globe to ask “why Tennesseans are the only tribe the world over who intentionally hurts its horses?”

Two of the largest equine veterinarian groups are loudly calling for stacks, pads, chains and tight straps to be outlawed and three different trainers admitted over the summer the devices make it easy to hide soring, abuse and cheating. They also say the exaggerated, unnatural high gait is impossible to achieve without causing great harm to a horse. Now the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is joining the roar.

There have now been eight guilty verdicts prosecuted in Chattanooga’s Federal Court but Jackie McConnell is by far the biggest lout. Ironically, the scathing tape that is still a viral hit on YouTube has nothing to do with tomorrow’s sentencing. McConnell will face 14 counts of animal abuse over his film debut in a West Tennessee courtroom later this month.

The owners of the horses that McConnell battered have not been charged as an accomplice, nor did the sheriff in Shelbyville enact felony charges as required by law when several horses were found to be maimed at the Celebration in late August. But tomorrow, with horsemen around the world watching, justice will be done in Chattanooga and the noose around the Big Lick industry will gratefully – at long last – get that much tighter.

royexum@aol.com[/QUOTE]


And what can I say but Roy Rocks!!! And who ever is keeping him informed ROCKS TOO!!!

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6562001]
I dont know what they use, presumably the ones with buckle or velcro closure which will probably weigh more than the basic brown gum rubbers boots which i believe weigh about 3 ounces. Every ounce you put on a horse, every degree of angle, every say 1/8" of toe will change the path that a hoof travels. You start with a normal balanced hoof and tweak it as little as you can. When balancing up a trotter you use as little weight as possible. You need a longer front toe on a trotter than a pacer, but you try to keep it as short as you can because long toes are stressful to the legs. If you choose to use toe weights, ONE OUNCE can make a difference how that hoof travels.

Ive never had the need to use bell boots on a riding horse, but my understanding is that if you leave them too long (hitting the ground), a back hoof can step on them, trapping the boot and when the horse goes to move that front leg - it is restricted. Can get ugly. Leaving them too long will also make them move up and down more. If your horse is punching holes in them along the bottom, if i were you i would trim them.

Remember that in the case of BL walking horses, the heel area may already be a bit tender from whatever is used to prep that horse - chains, rollers, etc. Here is a pair from National Bridle who caters to TWHs. They dont mess around. You can add additional 8 ounces or more. Good grief.

http://www.nationalbridle.com/product-p/1-2316.htm[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. And I appreciate the tip. i was planning to get a new pair of no spin bell boots, but i’m kinda skimp atm (see “how to keep leasing without becoming bankrupt” thread for reference) so I’ll see what I can do with a pair of scissors.
Btw, not sure if i made it clear but my horse is not gaited nor did I ever ride a gaited horse that’s why I ask so many questions on how any kind of boot can alter a horse’s gait.

Anyway, on the whole BL issue, just my 2 cents: better to err on the side of caution. Or establish, without a shadow of a doubt, what can be used as protection only, without causing the horses any damage.

Edit to add: you can see how my not-exactly-the-right-size bell boots fit on the horse in this shot
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534166_2353115764279_1049621250_n.jpg

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6562033]
What do you mean i havent used them? I put on and took off bell boots daily for years on my harness horses. You are so full of yourself Fairfax. You do not read for comprehension. My posts show that i DO understand that shoes and equipment do affect how a horse travels and that it is going to be complicated to label what is therapeutic or shall we say neutral and what is going too far. There are a lot of mind boggling variables when legitimate equipment is misused.

Comparing a toe weight to a bell boot was not a heck of a stretch since Neinor had asked how a light bell boot could affect gait. So i tried to explain that the weight of anything affects the path the hoof travels. Does that help out your comprehension deficit ?[/QUOTE]

This is the problem I have with your posts.

THIS IS WHAT YOU POSTED"

Ive never had the need to use bell boots on a riding horse

You cherry pick comments to become defensive over

Over reaching happens in most breeds especially when line working two year olds…but then you would know that…or do you?

The misuse of any equipment can be dealt with

Banning of equipment is hard to overturn

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6562044]
2 more days and so to bed…

http://chattanoogan.com/2012/9/17/234438/Roy-Exum-Finally-A-Day-Of-Reckoning.aspx

Roy Exum: Finally A Day Of Reckoning
Monday, September 17, 2012 - by Roy Exum

Sadly, if the truth be told, McConnell is virtually a nothing in the big scheme of the perverse and very sick “Big Lick” segment of the Tennessee Walking Horse industry. Jackie is a mere pawn, a lowly serf in an evil Shelbyville fiefdom where a high-ranking insider said last week that “at least 40 to 45 percent” of what is lustily called the “performance horse” is “every bit as guilty” as the heavily-scorned McConnell. “They just haven’t been caught yet.”

The evidence that the well-placed source is correct is overwhelming. This summer the Nashville Banner revealed the last ten “Trainers of the Year” all have records of violating the federal Horse Protection Act and, of the Top 20 trainers involved in the Rider’s Cup competition, they have collectively 161 citations in the last two years alone.

Efforts by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Humane Society of the United States have been bitterly blasted by “the dark side” of the performance industry in Shelbyville and this year’s 74th annual Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration last month was so filled with rancor, discord and scorn that a full 40 percent of the horses that were officially entered did not appear in the show ring.

In other words, the five entities control the entire “performance” industry, from judging to testing to competing to awarding blue ribbons. As a result, there are a myriad of allegations, rumors and accusations that have gone unfounded, especially in recent years, and what is equally unbelievable is why those who serve on the five separate boards have not questioned nor stood in opposition of the now shaky regime, much less called on state or federal authorities if indeed there are valid reasons.

Last week, when two Representatives of Congress introduced legislation in Washington that would strengthen the Horse Protection Act, Howard’s empire was quick to denounce the effort, calling it “an attack,” but storm clouds continue to gathering quickly and with force over the imperiled industry that has most recently caused horsemen around the globe to ask “why Tennesseans are the only tribe the world over who intentionally hurts its horses?”

Two of the largest equine veterinarian groups are loudly calling for stacks, pads, chains and tight straps to be outlawed and three different trainers admitted over the summer the devices make it easy to hide soring, abuse and cheating. They also say the exaggerated, unnatural high gait is impossible to achieve without causing great harm to a horse. Now the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is joining the roar…

The owners of the horses that McConnell battered have not been charged as an accomplice, nor did the sheriff in Shelbyville enact felony charges as required by law when several horses were found to be maimed at the Celebration in late August.

royexum@aol.com[/QUOTE]

Here are several questions: Clearly the law as it exists is not being enforced. -why is this NOT the major focus ofthe anti-soring movement?

IF “They” (unclear whether this is the 3 trainers or the 2 Veterinary associations) say “the exaggerated, unnatural high gait is impossible to achieve without causing great harm to a horse” Why not fund a study to prove this and if it then is proven a horse displaying the gait would be proof in itself of soring and thus could be stopped dead in it’s tracks/ banned/ never more seen in the show ring, etc.

Instead the focus is on boots and straps no more of an encumbrance to a horse than a halter, or a collar to a dog WHEN CORRECTLY USED.

By all means, outlaw kitchen knives, rope, wire, baseball bats, brooms, hay forks, apple pickers, rubber hoses, plastic wrap, boots, bandages, tape, etc., etc. to stop a crime - this is a poor plan that criminalizes innocent use and does not deter the criminal himself.

[QUOTE=Fairfax;6562765]
This is the problem I have with your posts.

THIS IS WHAT YOU POSTED"

Ive never had the need to use bell boots on a riding horse

You cherry pick comments to become defensive over

Over reaching happens in most breeds especially when line working two year olds…but then you would know that…or do you?

The misuse of any equipment can be dealt with

Banning of equipment is hard to overturn[/QUOTE]

If any of my riding horses - old or young had needed bell boots (and the farrier could not shoe or trim them off themselves) i would not have hesitated to use them. And i do teach all of my horses no matter what age to line drive. My last colt was quiet and not inclined to pop around and get on himself so i never booted him. A more rambunctious colt that was explosive or clumsy or mixey-gaited may have been booted for protection. I have broken lots of standardbred 2 yr olds and they wore whatever boots the trainer told me to put on them. I have never had a bruised or stepped on heel on any of my personal horses for the over forty years i have had riding horses. Even goofing off in the pasture. Knock on wood here. And i agree that babies can need to be covered up and protected with any one of a number of different types of protective boots, depending on which area is deemed needing protection, which of course depends on what gaits they will be likely to perform. I do agree that a ban or limitation of any boots truly needs to be breed and discipline specific. Most breed organizations have handled that effectively. Then you have the Performance TWHs who have not. Standardbred racing would come to a complete and total halt if all boots were banned. I dont see any standardbred folks all up in arms about the HPA. Apples, oranges.

And quit twisting things. After i said i hadnt used any on my own persoanl riding horses, you said and i quote “You haven’t used them. Everything you state is supposition. THIS is the problem I have with many posts here”.

I have used them extensively at the track. So who picks cherries :confused:

D-Baldstockings - good questions and worthy of discussion. I have get ready for an obligatory board meeting but will be back later tonight. Anyone else - have at it !

Fairfax: the queen of cherry picking,and spinning. IOW fallacy arguments. :lol:

Isn’t there a profession like that? Oh yeah politics.:yes:

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6562849]
Here are several questions: Clearly the law as it exists is not being enforced. -why is this NOT the major focus ofthe anti-soring movement?

IF “They” (unclear whether this is the 3 trainers or the 2 Veterinary associations) say “the exaggerated, unnatural high gait is impossible to achieve without causing great harm to a horse” Why not fund a study to prove this and if it then is proven a horse displaying the gait would be proof in itself of soring and thus could be stopped dead in it’s tracks/ banned/ never more seen in the show ring, etc.

Instead the focus is on boots and straps no more of an encumbrance to a horse than a halter, or a collar to a dog WHEN CORRECTLY USED.

By all means, outlaw kitchen knives, rope, wire, baseball bats, brooms, hay forks, apple pickers, rubber hoses, plastic wrap, boots, bandages, tape, etc., etc. to stop a crime - this is a poor plan that criminalizes innocent use and does not deter the criminal himself.[/QUOTE]

Money, money, money. It all costs more money than they(gummit) have.

If I had millions to burn I’d fund a study but in another country with an American lead, under super sekrit security, with all sequestered staff. Quadruple blind study with 1000’s of horses just to make sure no can CHERRY PICK or make nefarious claims against the study.

Here’s the deal I’ve used them all, MYSELF, not my trainer. They aren’t torture devices BUT why do you really need them. If NO ONE uses them or padded shoes, the real talent should stand out like sore thumb. That IS the reality. But smoke and mirrors are needed apparently.

Breed shows are a different reality. Kinda like a 6th dimension.

D-Baldstockings, how would you structure the study? (This is a serious question: I want to understand what you have in mind.)

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6563234]
Money, money, money. It all costs more money than they(gummit) have.

If I had millions to burn I’d fund a study but in another country with an American lead, under super sekrit security, with all sequestered staff. Quadruple blind study with 1000’s of horses just to make sure no can CHERRY PICK or make nefarious claims against the study.

Here’s the deal I’ve used them all, MYSELF, not my trainer. They aren’t torture devices BUT why do you really need them. If NO ONE uses them or padded shoes, the real talent should stand out like sore thumb. That IS the reality. But smoke and mirrors are needed apparently.

Breed shows are a different reality. Kinda like a 6th dimension.[/QUOTE]

Actually there is a simpler way, as the allegation is that a horse CAN’t do the Big Lick gait without being sored at some time in it’s training.

So if one trainer can be found that can train BL without soring - under 24 hr scrutiny from video, etc. and the horse is vet certified ‘unharmed’ that negates the entire position that BL = soring.

Then it is just a we-don’t-like-the LOOK vs. you-like-the LOOK argument.

If you think that would be the result, of course.

My personal preference is for as un-‘adorned’ as is practical in any breed, on the other hand, seeing a horse and trainer frustrated in a miscommunication that could be quickly repaired with the aid of a strap, boot, rein, saddlepad, line, spur or whip, etc. and not being able to use the artificial aid because someone, somewhere abused a horse with it?

**

If the stacked pads are harmful it should be realively easy to have professional farriers and veterinarians point to consistent physical evidence of that; and it should result in high turnover numbers in the show horse ranks, etc.
If less than 5% of the breed are padded horses, then there is a huge pool of ‘controls’ to compare lameness incidence to.

If it is nothing more than ‘costume’ or ‘make-up’ that will be clear. If it is akin to chinese foot-binding, that will be clear, also.

IF the BL is on a par with dog-fighting, cock-fighting, or similar abuses and cruelty then that is how it should be banned - in its entirety, not piecemeal shoe by boot by chain… in a manner that paints ‘all gaited’ or ‘all Saddleseat’ or ‘all highsteppers’ with a tarred brush because ‘the same stuff’ used on a different horse by a different person MUST BE abusive.

Well - the proposed bill is not banning these things - read again please.

sort of parallel

Another breed taking a stand on equipment misuse

http://aqha.com/Showing/News-Articles/09132012-Equipment-Rules.aspx

Not banning?
I was under the impression that none were to be on showgrounds, auctions, exhibitions, or other public equine venues?

How are you interpreting the bill’s language?

Maybe we should allow those ASB weanlings to wear tailsets and chains on the showgrounds. Ooops you can’t, it’s banned.:wink:

from the bill
http://whitfield.house.gov/sites/whitfield.house.gov/files/WHITFI_046_xml%20HPA%20Bill.pdf

‘‘(12) The use of an action device on any limb
6 of a Tennessee Walking, a Racking, or a Spotted
7 Saddle horse at a horse show, horse exhibition, or
8 horse sale or auction.
9 ‘‘(13) The use of a weighted shoe, pad, wedge,
10 hoof band, or other device or material
at a horse
11 show, horse exhibition, or horse sale or auction
12 that—
13 ‘‘(A) is placed on, inserted in, or attached
14 to any limb
of a Tennessee Walking, a Racking,
15 or a Spotted Saddle horse;
16 ‘‘(B) is constructed to artificially alter the
17 gait
of such a horse; and
18 ‘‘© is not strictly protective or therapeutic in nature.’’;

So who decides on protective and therapeutic?
Vet?, Farrier? Some STUDY somewhere?

Last I looked, all applied shoes, etc are artificial and even the slightest weight or contact can alter gait -that is why a farrier has to learn to shoe a horse!

-these are the only exceptions outside the ban.

Might be my misread - but action device is defined as:
[INDENT][INDENT]
‘’(1) The term ‘action device’ means any boot,
7 collar, chain, roller, or other device that encircles or
8 is placed upon the lower extremity of the leg of a
9 horse in such a manner that it can—
10 ‘’(A) rotate around the leg or slide up and
11 down the leg, so as to cause friction; or
12 ‘’(B) strike the hoof, coronet band, fetlock
13 joint, or pastern of the horse.’’;
[/INDENT][/INDENT]
I read it as is is not so much the device, rather more the manner in which it is used. Like, if I continued to use long bell boots in deep sand turnout on my horse, he would eventually be sored by it because of how I used it.

But when read further it follows your take that a bell boot is defined as an action device and therefore would be banned from exhibitions, shows, sales of the notoriously sored horse breeds…

[INDENT][INDENT] Sec. 1824. Unlawful acts The following conduct is prohibited:

) The use of an action device on any limb
6 of a Tennessee Walking, a Racking, or a Spotted
7 Saddle horse at a horse show, horse exhibition, or
8 horse sale or auction.
9 ‘’(13) The use of a weighted shoe, pad, wedge,
10 hoof band, or other device or material at a horse
11 show, horse exhibition, or horse sale or auction
12 that—
13 ‘’(A) is placed on, inserted in, or attached
14 to any limb of a Tennessee Walking, a Racking,
15 or a Spotted Saddle horse;
16 ‘’(B) is constructed to artificially alter the
17 gait of such a horse; and
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…Until we get to this line where it allows for strictly protective devices:
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18 ‘‘© is not strictly protective or thera-
19 peutic in nature.’’;[/INDENT][/INDENT]

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Maybe we should allow those ASB weanlings to wear tailsets and chains on the showgrounds. Ooops you can’t, it’s banned.;)[/QUOTE]

Better than banned - the show officials do not allow it:D. TWH show officials N.E.V.E.R. took that step of self regulation. N.E.V.E.R.

Now they will need to continue to live with imposed legislation. ANd I think it is why this proposed bill specifies action device limits ONLY apply to those breeds which are known for soring.

But my guess is IF the law passes with the breed specifics, the soring folks will skirt the law by renaming their respective breeds.:yes: